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judas_priest
10-29-2010, 04:39 PM
Well, here goes. The first tip is in the area of deducting vehicle expenses, but I do have a foreword. Those who think the government should be run more like a business should be championing a large increase in funding for the IRS. Studies have shown that increasing the number of employees involved in scrutinizing tax returns will likely result in generating more income that it will cost. (At the margin it would be several times the cost).

The IRS has been cash starved for a long time - their computer systems were out-of-date, they did not have the manpower to do effectively scrutiny, etc. But Congress, after using the IRS as a political football for years, has begun to recognize the problem. The IRS has been adding examiners and auditors, so there ill be increased efforts at compliance. This hiring pattern began several years ago, and the people they hired are now getting to the point of actually knowing what they are doing. A word to the wise . . .

One of the areas that is getting a lot of increased attention is automobile expenses. Things you could have gotten away with 5 years ago may get you in trouble now.

This document is excerpted from a much long training manual for beginning tax preparers. It is written for them and I haven’t changed the voice I used in writing it. It was written several years ago, hence the entry for tax year 2008, but that could happen again, so I left it in.

The fundamental rule is that many kinds of deductions and/or credits require “written” records. If you do not see the records themselves, the client will have to sign a declaration that they have such written records and that the numbers the have provided you are an accurate reflection of those records. That’s right, we can no longer take the taxpayer’s declaration about a number of items. In the case of mileage it used to be enough if the client told us (s)he had records – now we have to see them or have the client sign the certification. The certifications will likely (pending IRS regulations) need to list the kinds of records the taxpayer has. [As far as I can tell, there are as yet no regulations on this]

In the process the taxpayer has to be informed of the negative consequences of certifying falsely. At the time of this writing I am not sure whether criminal penalties involved, and at least there could be severe civil penalties (legalese for, “It’s a fine but we’re not going to call it that.”) This information should be on the certification itself, so they can’t claim they weren’t given the information.

What constitutes a “written” record.? Almost anything physical or electronic can be. The law says that [in most cases] the records have to be made contemporaneously, which means made more or less at the time the activity took place. This almost certainly is not restricted to the exact time, but it would likely not include figuring it out at the end of the year or the quarter, unless all that is happening is reducing original records to a more usable form – but the Taxpayer should have - and keep - the originals.

An Example: Auto mileage
Why this matters: Auto expenses are deductible on Schedule C (sole proprietorship) and Forms 1065 (partnership), 1120S (subchapter S corporations) and 1120C (C corporation) business returns, as the full federal reimbursement rate. This is currently $.50 a mile, so it can really add up. [The taxpayer can also use actual car expenses but these are outside the scope of this section. The actual expense method must be used if taxpayer operates a number of vehicles simultaneously or used this method for the first year a vehicle was placed into service.] The Taxpayer can also deduct this full federal rate on Schedule E (rental income), Form 2106, Schedule F (Farm) and a number of others. Taxpayers can also deduct mileage (at a lesser rate) for trips for medical purposes, for certain charitable purposes (including dropping used stuff off at Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.), recognized moving expenses.

Clearly the “best” record of mileage is a detailed logbook, stating the beginning and ending mileage for each deductible trip, along with information about the purpose of the trip. But there are other ways of recording this information. A notation the number of miles for a trip would work. But remember, the forms ask for mileage at the beginning and end of the year, and commuter miles. {JP’s editorial comment: The best way of getting beginning and ending mileage for the year is to make a habit of writing down the odometer reading each December 31. It gives you the end mileage for that year, as well as the beginning mileage for the next.} Fortunately the commuting miles are not critical, but if your client wants to claim the interest paid on a car used for business, the total miles will be important. Even if the taxpayer intends – or needs – to claim actual expenses, (s)he will still need the mileage unless 100% of the vehicle usage is business. This is hard to establish (Well, yes, I guess a did pick up a few groceries on the way home. Yes, I did commute.) Also, if the taxpayer drives only to a limited number of destinations, simply recording the fact of the trip suffices.. Either they will have measured the mileage and written it down, or you can look it up. Thank you, MapQuest.

As far as “contemporaneous” is concerned, a taxpayer’s noting the mileage at the end of the week is fine, so long as they can establish how they noted the information.
You can also use MapQuest (or any other similar program) for lots of trips, but if you have to look up the mileage for a significant number of trips, remember to note the time you spent – you may need to add an accounting fee. Find out what your office policy is on this and how much to charge. {Message to taxpayers – you don’t want to pay your tax person for work that you could have done easily for yourself}

What happens if the taxpayer hasn’t written down the trip? If there is no objective record of the trip, the taxpayer is likely SOL. But objective contemporaneously made records cover more than a mileage log. Consider the case of a Realtor. (S)he comes in with no mileage records. “Oh, I though I could just approximate it. That’s what I’ve always done.” Not any longer. If there are no records, the person has just lost out on thousands of dollars of expenses from the Schedule C. But all is not lost. You ask the Realtor if she has an appointment book. “Oh, yes, I write down every appointment I make. I also keep a record of which properties I have checked out or shown.” Saved. The appointment book is a contemporaneously made record, as would be a separate log of the houses visited and the dates were noted if they were not in the appointment book. These can be processed through MapQuest, and she keeps the deduction for expenses on the Schedule C.

What else can be a “written record?” Let’s say a taxpayer made an out of town trip, using his/her car to get there. No record of the miles, no appointment book. But there is a receipt from a hotel showing a three night stay. Well, there you have it. (That might be iffy at an audit, but it’s enough for the return. But if it was a sales trip and the taxpayer has sales slips for that location and time, then it’s all good) It’s contemporaneous and it’s written. Generally speaking, anything that is the result of some process which records transactions or information more or less at the time they come into existence will satisfy the requirement. The critical thing is that the evidence not come solely from the memory of the taxpayers and the records upon which the deduction or credit are based come from the time period.

Another important issue is recording the business purpose. I attend a weekly business breakfast. So the meals can be deducted (only 50%), actually, and I can also claim the mileage. Do I write this down? No, but it shows up on my credit card statement, those meetings are the only time I eat there, it’s always on a Wednesday, and there is a sign-in sheet, so I can always go back and get the business purpose. Others may not be so lucky (and, of course, I rely upon those sign-in sheets and the certificates of continuing education that the association issues). But a charge slip for, say, a meal will likely need some method of establishing the business purpose.

NOTE: For the 2008 tax year, there is an added fillip to mileage issues. The IRS ordinarily determines in the fall what the allowance is for mileage for the succeeding year. On some occasions, large changes in the price of gas lead to mid-year adjustments in this allowance. For business miles, the figure went up as of July 1. For the first half of the year the allowance is the previously announced $.505 (50.5¢). For miles beginning July 1, 2008, this figures rises to $.585 (58.5¢). Remember to see if the mileage can be allocated by date – you’ll need some good records to do this. But if the TP’s use of the vehicle for business purposes was mostly after July 1, it could make a significant difference.
Think about other things that could meet these requirements. When you confront other items for which records are required, ask yourself what else would satisfy these requirements.


2010
For 2010, the standard mileage rate for the cost of operating your car for business use is 50 cents per mile.
Car expenses and use of the standard mileage rate are explained in chapter 4 of Publication 463, Travel, Entertainment, Gift, and Car Expenses.
Medical- and move-related mileage. For 2010, the standard mileage rate for the cost of operating your car for medical reasons or as part of a deductible move is 16.5 cents per mile.
See Transportation under What Medical Expenses Are Includable in Publication 502 or Travel by car under Deductible Moving Expenses in Publication 521, Moving Expenses..
Charitable-related mileage. For 2010, the standard mileage rate for the cost of operating your car for charitable purposes remains 14 cents per mile.


http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=178004,00.html

One last warning: I know that a lot of people “create” these records after the fact. (I once prosecuted case which turned on whether a particular record was created at the time or after the fact.) If I think that records are fabricated, I won’t use them (and I likely will fire the client). I do have a story for you. A taxpayer was audited for his business travel. The meeting took place several years down the line. (the year in question was 2007 and the audit was in 2010) He came in with a diary. It looked right. It was worn and dog-eared. There were some food stains here and there. The entries were written with different pens and pencils. The quality of the writing varied, but it was still all done by the same person. The examiner picked it up and looked at the title page of the book. It was copyright 2009. Deductions disallowed. Penalty imposed.

judas_priest
10-29-2010, 04:50 PM
I'd like some feedback about whether any of you find this useful. Or areas that you'd like addressed. Other material I have available for almost instant posting involves Charitable contributions, a comment on certain things that arouse the interest of the IRS, and a narrow piece about a way of excluding certain specialized forms of income from Self-employment tax.

Garishwolf
10-29-2010, 05:05 PM
Helpful, yes very, but the thought for big government making themselves bigger to recoup moneys to pay for a larger government program paid for by the by taxpayer is depressing.

Your knowledge is truly awesome JP. Coming from a doltish bogtrotter, me, probably means nada...lol

judas_priest
10-29-2010, 05:10 PM
Helpful, yes very, but the thought for big government making themselves bigger to recoup moneys to pay for a larger government program paid for by the by taxpayer is depressing.

Your knowledge is truly awesome JP. Coming from a doltish bogtrotter, me, probably means nada...lol

Actually, I am all in favor of increasing the size of the IRS. Not for the reason I gave earlier, but for the tax equivalent of the old lawyer slogan: He who sues my client is my friend.

Garishwolf
10-29-2010, 05:27 PM
Actually, I am all in favor of increasing the size of the IRS. Not for the reason I gave earlier, but for the tax equivalent of the old lawyer slogan: He who sues my client is my friend.


Propagation, is truly the lawyer,account,IRS's friend, when used in your context.

Just curious, does a flat 15-16% tax, so to say scare you in any way, massively reducing the IRS to eventual extinction.?

judas_priest
10-29-2010, 07:41 PM
You will never get rid of the IRS - if nothing else, you've got business tax to deal with. The problem with a flat tax is that it is hard to see how sufficient revenue can be generated to cover anything like today's demand. If, of course, you want to gut government spending, that isn't a detriment. That isn't to say that many principles of the flat tax would not be a good idea. In my own remedy for the individual income tax code disaster, a flat tax is a major component - for one tier.

As part of my tax reform plan there is a carbon tax - not for revenue (although it will produce that) but to reduce energy consumption and screw certain energy producers. It seems silly to encourage policies that strengthen those who hate us and are inimical to our interests. Such a atax would permit reduction of other taxes. I would also reduce the FICA tax rate but remove the cap on earnings subject to SS tax. If, for example, the SS tax were 4.0% instead of the current 6.2% but with no cap, most employers would have lower payroll costs, but people like ARod would be paying more than $1,000,000 a year in payroll tax.

Then we move to income tax. Tier 1 - no tax due on adult income of less than the minimum wage at 36 or so hours a week. (Most of these people will be paying higher fuel taxes anyway. Index both minimum wage and the tier 1 limit- to about .9 of the CPI. Tier 2: Flat 10% on all income above tier 1 - no deductions, no nothing. Tier 3: at some level (I am not enough of a technical economist to be able to tell what levels would work, but I am envisioning it starting at about $80,000 taxable income for Married filing joint income (that's more than $100,000 gross income) a graduated tax with at most 3 levels (in additional to the 10% already discussed.) - perhaps only 2. Top marginal tax rate would be (including the 10% flat tax) of either 30% or 33.33333333%. Here's the killer - no deductions. Everything that is now a deduction gets shifted to a non-refundable tax credit.

Result: lower marginal rates but a broader base - and thus higher average rates for many upper income payers. But marginal rates are where the disincentives to earn come. The object is to eliminate as many "loopholes" as possible. Just remember what I think of as a loophole may be regarded as wise policy by those who benefit from it.

Example of what i mean by lower marginal but higher average rates. Under the current system, Taxpayer I.M. Rich draws an annual salary of $2,000,000. He pays approximately $7,000 in SS and $29,000 in medicare tax. He has charitable gifts of $100,000 and a mortgage of $980,000 at 5%, which yields $45,000 interest (he took it out a couple of years ago and has paid down a bit on it.) The property tax is $20,000. (I'm going to assume he lives in a no state income tax jurisdiction to simplify this). He gets to deduct $165,000 from his income, which lowers his tax by $57,500. His tax is (and I'm rounding) 671000-57000-36000=671000-93000=578000. He pays 35% tax on any interest, etc. that he gets. This goes up to 39.6% (and the total tax bill is also higher come next tax year unless Congress acts. The marginal rate on earned income is 36.45, which goes up to 41,05 next year.

Just noticed I didn't finish the second part of the illustration - explaining what happens under "my" system. Spent too much of the day at the doctor's office - boy am I glad for modern medical technology - and I'm too tied to put the thought in to finish it. Have a lot of work to do in advance of a Thursday meeting, so I probably won't fix the omission until the week-end.


Most people could file their returns on a post-card - it would bankrupt Block, Jackson Hewitt and Liberty - and would put my new business out of business. But this won't happen, and, if it did, it would take so long that I won't be working when it does.

loboray
11-14-2010, 02:16 PM
Taxes are paid by tax payers, not businesses. If nothing else we pay business taxes in the form of higher prices. Of course congress will never give up their "right" to tax business as a way to give favors to their contributors and wield power over their enemies.

I do like your tips JP as someone inside the business of tax preparation. The tax code is one of my biggest gripes against an over reaching government.

judas_priest
11-14-2010, 10:59 PM
Taxes are paid by tax payers, not businesses. If nothing else we pay business taxes in the form of higher prices. Of course congress will never give up their "right" to tax business as a way to give favors to their contributors and wield power over their enemies.

I do like your tips JP as someone inside the business of tax preparation. The tax code is one of my biggest gripes against an over reaching government.

I agree that most taxes that are imposed on businesses end up being passed in the prices of whatever it is that business sells, etc., but the tax is still imposed on the business and minimizing those taxes can give a business a competitive advantage. Given the fact that people will miscalculate, misunderstand and just plain cheat, the IRS is necessary to deal with such.

We obviously have major disagreements about the proper scope of government, but the tax code is abominable whatever your view of the role of the state. The only people who like it are those like me who are paid to act as guides through the unnecessary complexities, and those on whose behalf some of those complexities were created.

loboray
11-15-2010, 12:43 PM
Just one quick point while we are agreeing so much. If you eliminate business taxes and replace the revenue with a flat tax, you pretty much eliminate the cheating. Little for the IRS to do under that scenario. Thanks again for the Tips. I really do appreciate your efforts to educate us on taxation.

judas_priest
11-15-2010, 07:29 PM
Just one quick point while we are agreeing so much. If you eliminate business taxes and replace the revenue with a flat tax, you pretty much eliminate the cheating. Little for the IRS to do under that scenario. Thanks again for the Tips. I really do appreciate your efforts to educate us on taxation.

Let's assume no business tax. So JQ Owner doesn't have to account for his business revenues at all. So he goes out and buys himself a $90,000 car - in the name of the business. Personal use? Without tax people looking at this books how can we tell? He goes out to eat every day for lunch - spending $35 a pop? Explain business purpose? No reason to. On his way home he stops off at the luxury grocery store and picks up $260 worth of stuff - for an office party - held at his house with his secretary (his wife) and three employees (his kids). By shifting all his personal expenses onto his business he can then pay himself a much lower amount of taxable income. Say he spends $150,000 on personal expenses through his business (which he now doesn't have to account for) and declares only $75,000 in personal income. He's paying less income tax on a real $225,000 income than his employee who gets $90,000 a year.

Eliminate cheating? It just shifts it to a different area - and creates vast new incentives to cheat while lowering the risk of getting caught.

loboray
11-18-2010, 05:19 PM
Levying a user tax on all sales would replace the revenue and then who cares who buys what as long as the sales/user tax is paid. Still gets rid of the mish mash of tens of thousands of pages of tax code. I know, it puts you out of work.

judas_priest
11-21-2010, 10:31 PM
Levying a user tax on all sales would replace the revenue and then who cares who buys what as long as the sales/user tax is paid. Still gets rid of the mish mash of tens of thousands of pages of tax code. I know, it puts you out of work.

1. Do you exempt food and/or medicine?

If no, then the tax is exceptionally regressive.

2. Assuming yes, the rate would have to be very high to generate enough revenue to sustain government - and it would still be regressive.

3. And if you want to keep such a tax low, what services are you going to do without?

4. And do you end up with a fiscal model like the one which helped create the great depression?

loboray
11-23-2010, 05:25 PM
O.K. I guess we will just muddle along with the rediculous tax code we have. Creates a great power base for congress to assist their friends. Which is why they will never agree to change it. So your job is safe.

judas_priest
11-23-2010, 10:51 PM
O.K. I guess we will just muddle along with the rediculous tax code we have. Creates a great power base for congress to assist their friends. Which is why they will never agree to change it. So your job is safe.

The only way to change it would be for a presidential candidate to sweep in to a crushing landslide with that as one of his key points. Obama had an opening there, which he soon dissipated, but tax reform was not something he really cared about. (Not to mention walking into a snake pit with the economy in shambles.)

apenland01
02-03-2011, 03:10 PM
1. Do you exempt food and/or medicine?

If no, then the tax is exceptionally regressive.

2. Assuming yes, the rate would have to be very high to generate enough revenue to sustain government - and it would still be regressive.

3. And if you want to keep such a tax low, what services are you going to do without?

4. And do you end up with a fiscal model like the one which helped create the great depression?

This would only hold true if the assumption that someone making more money isn't spending more money. If that were the case, you wouldn't see so many high income earners filing for bankruptcy...........

Thanks JP for the business mileage tax tip and I have a question for you.

I work out of the house in medical sales and I was told that I now count mileage from the time I leave the house until I return to the house (or stop for personal reasons somewhere else). In the past, I have counted mileage from my first sales call to the house. In your reading the of the code, which way is correct?

elmassuave
02-08-2011, 10:30 PM
The IRS does not allow a deduction for the costs of commuting from home to work and back, however, it does allow a deduction for getting from one workplace to another. So, it is my understanding, if you start your workday in your home office by making a few calls and then drive to your first sales site, you are now driving “from one workplace to another.” Therefore, trips from your home office to your sales sites and back will qualify as business mileage. You may know that business mileage must be supported by written documentation (with a backup written log) of where you went and how many business miles you traveled. Trips to the bank and post office also qualify as business mileage if documented.

judas_priest
03-05-2011, 11:12 PM
I'll have an answer to this up in a couple of days.



This would only hold true if the assumption that someone making more money isn't spending more money. If that were the case, you wouldn't see so many high income earners filing for bankruptcy...........

Thanks JP for the business mileage tax tip and I have a question for you.

I work out of the house in medical sales and I was told that I now count mileage from the time I leave the house until I return to the house (or stop for personal reasons somewhere else). In the past, I have counted mileage from my first sales call to the house. In your reading the of the code, which way is correct?

judas_priest
03-07-2011, 11:11 PM
See new post. I'll have more later


This would only hold true if the assumption that someone making more money isn't spending more money. If that were the case, you wouldn't see so many high income earners filing for bankruptcy...........

Thanks JP for the business mileage tax tip and I have a question for you.

I work out of the house in medical sales and I was told that I now count mileage from the time I leave the house until I return to the house (or stop for personal reasons somewhere else). In the past, I have counted mileage from my first sales call to the house. In your reading the of the code, which way is correct?

judas_priest
03-07-2011, 11:17 PM
The IRS does not allow a deduction for the costs of commuting from home to work and back, however, it does allow a deduction for getting from one workplace to another. So, it is my understanding, if you start your workday in your home office by making a few calls and then drive to your first sales site, you are now driving “from one workplace to another.” Therefore, trips from your home office to your sales sites and back will qualify as business mileage. You may know that business mileage must be supported by written documentation (with a backup written log) of where you went and how many business miles you traveled. Trips to the bank and post office also qualify as business mileage if documented.

Unfortunately, your understanding could get you into trouble. Making the first call of the day from your home office is not necessary, but having a proper home office is. This means, for most people, have an area exclusively devoted to business. The subject is sufficiently complex that a complete answer would run far longer than anybody but those with an immediate interest could tolerate. The test is slightly easier for those who are self-employed than for employees, but for those who meet the conditions to be a "statutory employee" they have the same tests as for self-employed. Apenland01 might fall into that category.