Never ever let the Rebel fans claim the Thomas & Mack is louder than the Pit

[btmmmpk]

Just got back from Vegas, hell of a game to watch in person! The fans at the game were suorisely well mannered towards us, no sh*t talking all game, even at CSU we get some heckling so I figured we hear a lot of smack at this game but alas nothing. Crowd was decent, but were quiet almost the entire game, except get this Lobo fans, they have a fricken hype man that gets on the PA and tells them to make noise, and noise causes stops on defense, it was pretty funny to see them actually have to tell their fans it was a good time to make noise. Whats even better, they would stand when he told them do and by the time the game restarted they would be back on their butts, funny stuff. Anyway, it was cool seeing a regular season game there instead of just MWC Tourney games, they have a decent intro but nothing special and the damn smoke from the fireworks fills the arena the whole first half. All in all a pretty good time in Vegas!

BTW one thing I wanted to point out (i dont know if you saw this on tv), Jamal rushed off the bench to pick up Kendall off the floor, he wasnt gonna let him sit out there by himself. It was a class act by Jamal and shortly after Snell and Gary arrived, but I thought it was great leadershp by Fenton to say scrw wthe handshake line, let me get our boy off the floor... KW was visibly upset (crying) after shaking hands with everyone, but I think he will learn from this and it wont happen again....

[Mark]

Thanks for the update!

[GRIFINDORE]

It was on March 12th 2010.

[toddl18]

Just got back from Vegas, hell of a game to watch in person! The fans at the game were suorisely well mannered towards us, no sh*t talking all game, even at CSU we get some heckling so I figured we hear a lot of smack at this game but alas nothing. Crowd was decent, but were quiet almost the entire game, except get this Lobo fans, they have a fricken hype man that gets on the PA and tells them to make noise, and noise causes stops on defense, it was pretty funny to see them actually have to tell their fans it was a good time to make noise. Whats even better, they would stand when he told them do and by the time the game restarted they would be back on their butts, funny stuff. Anyway, it was cool seeing a regular season game there instead of just MWC Tourney games, they have a decent intro but nothing special and the damn smoke from the fireworks fills the arena the whole first half. All in all a pretty good time in Vegas!

BTW one thing I wanted to point out (i dont know if you saw this on tv), Jamal rushed off the bench to pick up Kendall off the floor, he wasnt gonna let him sit out there by himself. It was a class act by Jamal and shortly after Snell and Gary arrived, but I thought it was great leadershp by Fenton to say scrw wthe handshake line, let me get our boy off the floor... KW was visibly upset (crying) after shaking hands with everyone, but I think he will learn from this and it wont happen again....

In our defense the pa guy is an idiot but also the T&M wasn't sold out. When it is sold out it gets the level of the pit if not exceeds it just depends though either way it was an exciting ending.

[UNM_ALUM]

Yea it was lame yesterday in the T&M. I mentioned to the people next to us that it was dead in the place compared to last season. Last years game was pretty crazy. I remember when UNLV came back late and that PA guy came out during the last TV timeout and got the crowd wild. Then Philly drained a 3 from the corner to silence them for good. The place has more of a NBA style feel to it than a NCAA game. People are constantly up and down and they seem to treat it more as a social than a college basketball game.

I agree its funny that they need a que from a PA announcer when to cheer. Lobo fans just know what to do.

[LoboDude!]

Both are great places to watch a game but the Pit for pure noise is louder. I have to admit that "Rebels" chant can be taxing. The only time the Thomas and Mac sells out is when the Lobos are there or when the Lobo fans take over the T&M

[MMALobo]

the T&M doesnt even compare to the pit lol

[Roob]

BTW one thing I wanted to point out (i dont know if you saw this on tv), Jamal rushed off the bench to pick up Kendall off the floor, he wasnt gonna let him sit out there by himself. It was a class act by Jamal and shortly after Snell and Gary arrived, but I thought it was great leadershp by Fenton to say scrw wthe handshake line, let me get our boy off the floor... KW was visibly upset (crying) after shaking hands with everyone, but I think he will learn from this and it wont happen again....

I saw it on TV, BTM. I made the same comment on one of the threads. Big props to Jamal. His stock just went up even higher in my book. Classy act by the young man.

[mach1rebel]

Yea it was lame yesterday in the T&M. I mentioned to the people next to us that it was dead in the place compared to last season. Last years game was pretty crazy. I remember when UNLV came back late and that PA guy came out during the last TV timeout and got the crowd wild. Then Philly drained a 3 from the corner to silence them for good. The place has more of a NBA style feel to it than a NCAA game. People are constantly up and down and they seem to treat it more as a social than a college basketball game.

I agree its funny that they need a que from a PA announcer when to cheer. Lobo fans just know what to do.

You have to look at it from our shoes. We just came off of a home loss to Colorado State. That loss didn't sit well with anyone. We also already lost to SDSU and BYU. Our team looked like true contenders in the beginning of the year. We have played poorly since December 1st.

Your team hasn't done anything in conference as well. You guys may finish in the bottom half. Our team has been looking like a NIT team. The people that showed up to the game weren't into it because of these reasons stated. Call it whatever you want, but if you were at the game last year, you would have experienced an entirely different atmosphere. I respect the pit for all it is, but you can't judge the T&M based on yesterday's game.

[RIDIC]

In our defense the pa guy is an idiot but also the T&M wasn't sold out. When it is sold out it gets the level of the pit if not exceeds it just depends though either way it was an exciting ending.

Why was it not sold out? This is UNLV and New Mexico! I guess the difference is we're ALWAYS loud, partially because we ALWAYS show up.

[wolf1960]

the pit will be sold out and louder than howl when rebs come to town....

[RIDIC]

You have to look at it from our shoes. We just came off of a home loss to Colorado State. That loss didn't sit well with anyone. We also already lost to SDSU and BYU. Our team looked like true contenders in the beginning of the year. We have played poorly since December 1st.

Your team hasn't done anything in conference as well. You guys may finish in the bottom half. Our team has been looking like a NIT team. The people that showed up to the game weren't into it because of these reasons stated. Call it whatever you want, but if you were at the game last year, you would have experienced an entirely different atmosphere. I respect the pit for all it is, but you can't judge the T&M based on yesterday's game.

Woe is me! We're only 3-3 in conference. Oh, woe is me!!! I'm a poor wittle webel fan! We lost to Colorado State! FIRE KRUGER, FIRE KRUGER, FIRE KRUGER!!! Stop supporting the team, cuz they suck!!! Don't go see a great basketball game against a longtime rival because you're spoiled as hell!!!

UNM is 1-4. I cherish every moment I have in the pit because it is a special place, that has seen many a special team. Do I worry about my team? Certainly. Do I give up on my team? NEVER!!!

This is why the T&M will never compare to THE PIT!

[mach1rebel]

Woe is me! We're only 3-3 in conference. Oh, woe is me!!! I'm a poor wittle webel fan! We lost to Colorado State! FIRE KRUGER, FIRE KRUGER, FIRE KRUGER!!! Stop supporting the team, cuz they suck!!! Don't go see a great basketball game against a longtime rival because you're spoiled as hell!!!

UNM is 1-4. I cherish every moment I have in the pit because it is a special place, that has seen many a special team. Do I worry about my team? Certainly. Do I give up on my team? NEVER!!!

This is why the T&M will never compare to THE PIT!

Lol. You act like I gave up on MY team. I was there cheering on like I always do. I was just telling it like it is for the majority of our fanbase. For the last month and a half, most of our fans have been extremely disappointed in our team . We don't accept losing to Colorado State at home. I'm guessing you guys wouldn't either, because if you did, then you would be at 0-5 right now. Thank goodness you are not, because you have a very talented team. They just need to come together. They're close

[mach1rebel]

And also big LOL at longtime rival. We've been rivals for what, 2 years? haha

[RIDIC]

And also big LOL at longtime rival. We've been rivals for what, 2 years? haha

WOW!!! Ellenberger and Tark built the rivalry. I know that, even though it was before I was born, because I'm a LOBO FAN!

Maybe the reason you guys aren't ever happy is because you're so damn arrogant?!

BTW, we weren't ever in the same conference, really, until the MWC was built. But we started playing home-and-homes yearly in the 70's because Tark and Stormin' Norman were really good friends. Some great games. I never could see them, unfortunately, but I've read and heard about them.

Yes, this is a longtime rivalry. Especially considering conference alignment, and that our 2 oldest conference rivals are leaving. UNM-UNLV is a PREMIER conference matchup, that started as a premier OOC matchup.

[btmmmpk]

at least mach didnt come with the national championship smack like every other rebel fan comes with.

[Mark]

I give the T&M respect. It gets loud when they want. However, the PIT has it's rep for a reason. It's insane. None of the Rebs know because they aren't at the "PIT" games, like SDSU etc. I've been their for the famous 3OT game like 6 years ago and MWCT time. It's a great atmosphere but the PIT is just on a different level and one of the only true "college atmospheres" left.
Doesn't mean the T&M is bad, just not comparable.

[mach1rebel]

WOW!!! Ellenberger and Tark built the rivalry. I know that, even though it was before I was born, because I'm a LOBO FAN!

Maybe the reason you guys aren't ever happy is because you're so damn arrogant?!

BTW, we weren't ever in the same conference, really, until the MWC was built. But we started playing home-and-homes yearly in the 70's because Tark and Stormin' Norman were really good friends. Some great games. I never could see them, unfortunately, but I've read and heard about them.

Yes, this is a longtime rivalry. Especially considering conference alignment, and that our 2 oldest conference rivals are leaving. UNM-UNLV is a PREMIER conference matchup, that started as a premier OOC matchup.

Haha. You got me. I guess it's a rivalry to you. UNM just seems like another team in conference. Granted, it is a competitive matchup. It has gotten more intense since Alford arrived, but it isn't quite on the level of BYU or SDSU. I never really heard of our "rivalry" being that big (even in the 70s). Since you are a LOBO FAN, what is the all time series record at?

[mach1rebel]

I give the T&M respect. It gets loud when they want. However, the PIT has it's rep for a reason. It's insane. None of the Rebs know because they aren't at the "PIT" games, like SDSU etc. I've been their for the famous 3OT game like 6 years ago and MWCT time. It's a great atmosphere but the PIT is just on a different level and one of the only true "college atmospheres" left.
Doesn't mean the T&M is bad, just not comparable.

I agree with you. I've never been to the PIT. I was just pointing out that judgement on our atmosphere should not be based on yesterday's game. I believe the PIT is an exceptional college arena.

[RIDIC]

Haha. You got me. I guess it's a rivalry to you. UNM just seems like another team in conference. Granted, it is a competitive matchup. It has gotten more intense since Alford arrived, but it isn't quite on the level of BYU or SDSU. I never really heard of our "rivalry" being that big (even in the 70s). Since you are a LOBO FAN, what is the all time series record at?

I believe it is now 26-15 UNLV. off the top

[mach1rebel]

Ahh I see. I also just found an article on the LVSUN that was written by Tark. He talks about the rivalry from back in the day. He mentions how you guys snapped our 76-game home winning streak. I would link it, but I know this is frowned upon haha

[RIDIC]

Ahh I see. I also just found an article on the LVSUN that was written by Tark. He talks about the rivalry from back in the day. He mentions how you guys snapped our 76-game home winning streak. I would link it, but I know this is frowned upon haha

Link it! I wanna read it.

But, yeah, Tark loved coaching in the pit. We loved antagonizing him. lol

[RIDIC]

I think it was 95 or 96 when Tark signed with Fresno st, after the "cheating" debacle. (do you guys call it "rebelgate?" lol) I got to see the regular season WAC game vs. Tarks bulldogs, but missed the 3 OT conference semifinal. It was blacked out in Albuquerque, but I got a VHS tape from the Fresno broadcast... think I still have it somewhere. Great game.

Even then, 20 years later, UNM fans still loved ridiculing the "towell biter."

[LoboCubs23]

Link it! I wanna read it.

But, yeah, Tark loved coaching in the pit. We loved antagonizing him. lol


No dont link anything from a Las Vegas paper... bad idea!

[TheLoboMan]

I've been the last 2 years to watch the Lobos and Rebels. Didn't go this season. But I really love the T&M and it's atmosphere big time. I also have been to SDSU and love their students. Each is unique as the Pit is. The Pit is known for it's noise. The T&M is known for it's fan participation and some noise and of course their pep band and the dancing girls. Viejas is known for the creativity of the students. All 3 have great great atmospheres.

[toddl18]

Why was it not sold out? This is UNLV and New Mexico! I guess the difference is we're ALWAYS loud, partially because we ALWAYS show up.

Even though you threw a nice dig at us I'll answer it for you. Both UNLV and UNM are not ranked, UNLV when ranked pull in crowds of 15k+ unranked were around 12k. Add into town some people only show up for ranked opponents and it's really an uphill battle. Add to it that Vegas isn't a traditional town and has alot of entertainment options during the day/night that UNLV has to compete against. Also unlike most places in the word Vegas is 24/7 meaning that you have some people working.

In all the Pit is a unique monster in itself and no one can question UNM fanbase and support for there team. But not all fanbases are the same.


I give the T&M respect. It gets loud when they want. However, the PIT has it's rep for a reason. It's insane. None of the Rebs know because they aren't at the "PIT" games, like SDSU etc. I've been their for the famous 3OT game like 6 years ago and MWCT time. It's a great atmosphere but the PIT is just on a different level and one of the only true "college atmospheres" left.
Doesn't mean the T&M is bad, just not comparable.

Entirely right on your assessment however if we got closer to Tark level's I think it'd be interesting to see which venue is louder. :D

[RIDIC]

In all the Pit is a unique monster in itself and no one can question UNM fanbase and support for there team. But not all fanbases are the same.


In 1965 construction of University Arena began. It was originally a secret development between UNM's President, the contractors, and Bob King. UNM wanted a 15k capacity arena on a $1 million budget. Impossible!

So, they built a roof, and dug a hole. Why? Because it was cheap. The bowl is in the ground. You're standing on concrete on top of hard dirt. The foundation for the building is New Mexico. Stuff a rabid basketball fanbase in an underground "pit" where the seats are "too close together" and there is no basketball arena in the world that will get as loud. Period.

I've never been to the Mack, but I do respect it and I know it gets very loud. I also know UNLV fans tend to be rather fickle. So, my understanding, which I think most would agree on, is that at capacity The Pit will always win if for no other reason than the fact that our support for our program is unwavering, and we stand right on top of opposing teams. Our noise is trapped in a little hole.

We're also a bunch of crazy @$$ New Mexicans! lol

[FoKuZ]

You have to look at it from our shoes. We just came off of a home loss to Colorado State. That loss didn't sit well with anyone. We also already lost to SDSU and BYU. Our team looked like true contenders in the beginning of the year. We have played poorly since December 1st.

Your team hasn't done anything in conference as well. You guys may finish in the bottom half. Our team has been looking like a NIT team. The people that showed up to the game weren't into it because of these reasons stated. Call it whatever you want, but if you were at the game last year, you would have experienced an entirely different atmosphere. I respect the pit for all it is, but you can't judge the T&M based on yesterday's game.

Dude ur an id&^% Go away and troll somewhere else....
I have been to a Many UNLV games at the Mack including last years UNM Game!! Guess what, it was sold out, and still at a decibel not near the 125 mark of the PIT

These remarks you made simply prove your posts are a mere dream of you Rebel fans

Our 16 k fans whisper louder than your 20k can scream dude....

Ohhh wait, we believe you because its the Thomas and mack that has the reputation of being the place TOP 10 teams dont want to travel and play, NOT THE PIT, right?
Its the Thomas and Mack thats on all the pubs that its the best arena around in college hoops right?

GO AWAY WEEEEBO fan troll,,,,
Come visit the PIT for the UNLV game and witness a REAL ARENA and REAL FANS!!!!

[RIDIC]

Dude ur an id&^% Go away and troll somewhere else....
I have been to a Many UNLV games at the Mack including last years UNM Game!! Guess what, it was sold out, and still at a decibel not near the 125 mark of the PIT

These remarks you made simply prove your posts are a mere dream of you Rebel fans

Our 16 k fans whisper louder than your 20k can scream dude....

Ohhh wait, we believe you because its the Thomas and mack that has the reputation of being the place TOP 10 teams dont want to travel and play, NOT THE PIT, right?
Its the Thomas and Mack thats on all the pubs that its the best arena around in college hoops right?

GO AWAY WEEEEBO fan troll,,,,
Come visit the PIT for the UNLV game and witness a REAL ARENA and REAL FANS!!!!

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

You can't mess with that.

[hobo]

Both are great places to watch a game but the Pit for pure noise is louder. I have to admit that "Rebels" chant can be taxing. The only time the Thomas and Mac sells out is when the Lobos are there or when the Lobo fans take over the T&M

At T&M, If you spend the extra $$'s and sit in the lower bowl, then it is certainly a great place to watch a game. But if you save $$'s and sit in the upper bowl, it is horrific for watching the game. I moved around a lot and there are all kind of obstructions from the upper bowl. I would guess the bottom bowl seats 10k and the upper bowl 8k. So I feel bad for fans that have to experience a game from the upper bowl all season long.

[mach1rebel]

Dude ur an id&^% Go away and troll somewhere else....
I have been to a Many UNLV games at the Mack including last years UNM Game!! Guess what, it was sold out, and still at a decibel not near the 125 mark of the PIT

These remarks you made simply prove your posts are a mere dream of you Rebel fans

Our 16 k fans whisper louder than your 20k can scream dude....

Ohhh wait, we believe you because its the Thomas and mack that has the reputation of being the place TOP 10 teams dont want to travel and play, NOT THE PIT, right?
Its the Thomas and Mack thats on all the pubs that its the best arena around in college hoops right?

GO AWAY WEEEEBO fan troll,,,,
Come visit the PIT for the UNLV game and witness a REAL ARENA and REAL FANS!!!!

Wow. Where did that come from? Has that been building up for a while, and you decided to take it out on me? Nothing like a welcoming fan base consisting of people like yourself.

I never said the Mack was louder than the PIT. NEVER. Instead of reading what I had to say, you call me an idiot "troll" in your first sentence? Stay classy

[FoKuZ]

Dude u came to OUR BOARD trolling.... Have decent conversation here, dont come in trying to prove a point you cant...
Read the rest of your comments dude... IMO ur a tool!!!!

And like I said.... a Half full PIT > a full T&M

Jus sayin

[RIDIC]

Dude u came to OUR BOARD trolling.... Have decent conversation here, dont come in trying to prove a point you cant...
Read the rest of your comments dude... IMO ur a tool!!!!

And like I said.... a Half full PIT > a full T&M

Jus sayin


FoKuz has some pent up RAGE!! lol. Here's to letting it all go in The Pit on Wednesday and celebrating a win.

[FoKuZ]

haha dude I try not sayin much to other teams fans but when they come here and blow themselves up etc, imma say something!!!
Meet me at jacksons gym Mach1rebel =D

i need to release some stress =D

[mach1rebel]

Dude u came to OUR BOARD trolling.... Have decent conversation here, dont come in trying to prove a point you cant...
Read the rest of your comments dude... IMO ur a tool!!!!

And like I said.... a Half full PIT > a full T&M

Jus sayin

I didn't come on here to get in a pissing match with anyone. I follow your team, because Alford is doing something good down there in Albuquerque. I saw a topic regarding UNLV. I was having a decent conversation until you added your two cents. I didn't say anything bad about UNM.

Once again, you resort to name calling. Why can't you add anything substantial to the conversation? I guess YOU are New Mexico.

[RIDIC]

I didn't come on here to get in a pissing match with anyone. I follow your team, because Alford is doing something good down there in Albuquerque. I saw a topic regarding UNLV. I was having a decent conversation until you added your two cents. I didn't say anything bad about UNM.

Once again, you resort to name calling. Why can't you add anything substantial to the conversation? I guess YOU are New Mexico.

I think the comparison just kinda rubs him the wrong way. I've never seen a game in the T&M, but I know quite a few people that have. I've never heard anyone that has seen games in both places rate the Mack even close to The Pit. You're a rebel fan, therefore you're gonna defend your program, arena, etc. That's understandable and respectable. I'm pretty sure fokuz is just getting upset that there is any comparison at all (even though it was us Lobo fans that started this thread in the first place.)

The fact remains, there is no basketball arena in the WORLD that compares to The Pit. It was funny, before the season started there was a basketball preview show on the mtn in which the broadcasters were discussing the upcoming season. The question, "What is your favorite arena to cover a game in?" was asked. Then, before anyone could answer, the pre-emptive strike of, "I know EVERYBODY is going to pick The Pit, so let's just take it out of the equation." While the mtn. has a history of giving favorable coverage to the Utah schools over everybody else, even they know how special a place University Arena is.

I bet you most BYU fans would say the Marriott Center is better than The Pit, but that's just because they almost always get into a fight when they come here. lol

[FoKuZ]

I didn't come on here to get in a pissing match with anyone. I follow your team, because Alford is doing something good down there in Albuquerque. I saw a topic regarding UNLV. I was having a decent conversation until you added your two cents. I didn't say anything bad about UNM.

Once again, you resort to name calling. Why can't you add anything substantial to the conversation? I guess YOU are New Mexico.

Look dude, ur coming here and playing good cop bad cop... Saying ggod things bout us and than take an elbo jab in our eye sockt....

having a good conversation on here is like...

hey guys good game, wish we had a better turn out for UNM cause youre a great team etc,,,.....

But coming in here and throwing a nice gesture with a jab wont fly homie!!!

[FoKuZ]

And how about this quote from a UNLV writer!!!!

"In a league with many intimidating gyms for visitors to visit, New Mexico owns the toughest"

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/New-Mexico-s-surprising-spiral-from-at-large-sta;_ylt=AqsgeAAUdmQc2jqoZY9r.JdjVJJ4?urn=ncaab-311134

[KDFrosty]

haha dude I try not sayin much to other teams fans but when they come here and blow themselves up etc, imma say something!!!
Meet me at jacksons gym Mach1rebel =D

i need to release some stress =D
Im almost embarassed that youre a Lobo fan. I dont like the Rebels or their fans either, but Mach1Rebel didnt seem too outta line to me. Then you threaten him? Get real.

I dont mean to start crap with you, Fokuz, and I am sure that both fan bases are frustrated, but at least this guy isnt throwing personal attacks at you.

[70degrees]

What makes this site special is that fact that fans of other teams can come over here and engage in stimulating conversation without the layer of filth that plagues most message boards. Mach1 might be slightly annoying sometimes but we should value his opinions and revel in some good discussion with him. Cant lose focus about what the lair is all about....

[bigolobo]

^ What he KDfrosty said. Ridic and Focuz need to stop acting like internet bullies. Mach has said nothing wrong and in the grand scheme of things appears to be a pretty level headed rebels' fan. Reasonable discussions started by opposing team's fans is not trolling.

[RIDIC]

^ What he KDfrosty said. Ridic and Focuz need to stop acting like internet bullies. Mach has said nothing wrong and in the grand scheme of things appears to be a pretty level headed rebels' fan. Reasonable discussions started by opposing team's fans is not trolling.

Wait a second... I wasn't bullying anybody. I simply stated my point to mach. Did I laugh at FoKuz's posts? Yes. But they were funny.

I wasn't bullying anyone. I'm pretty sure mach doesn't feel that I was bullying him.

[RIDIC]

Also, Mach and I PM'd eachother regarding the history of the "rivalry." He originally scoffed at UNM-UNLV being a rivalry, but later changed his mind after he found an article in which the word "rivalry" came straight from the mouth of the Tark.

Was FoKuz out of line with the name calling/threatening? Yes, even if it was funny. But I wasn't calling anyone names. I wasn't threatening anybody.

Therefore, bigolobo, you get groaned. Sorry, man. I know you're trying to keep things orderly and respectful here, and I appreciate that. But I can't let you unjustifiably drag my name through the mud.

[Mark]

Love FoKuz. lol
But seriously, we encourage other fans to join in.I dont see where hes doing anything other than just being a fan like us. Trust me, this board is 100x better when we can talk with other fans rather than fighting with them. We (I) actually get educated on their systems, players, history, etc. Lets not turn into rebel net where is chaos.

[FoKuZ]

Love FoKuz. lol
But seriously, we encourage other fans to join in.I dont see where hes doing anything other than just being a fan like us. Trust me, this board is 100x better when we can talk with other fans rather than fighting with them. We (I) actually get educated on their systems, players, history, etc. Lets not turn into rebel net where is chaos.

Ya my whole point to it is that if u want to conversate, do it right from the beginning. I dont mean to offend you Mach and if i did i apologize... And I didnt make a threat... A lil jui-jitsu in a gym for fun isnt a threat, geeeeeeee =D

And maybe it wasnt just what Mach said but other rebel fans added to it.. So if I offended any of you my bad!!!

IM JUST A DIE HARD LOBO FAN CHEERING ON MY ALMA MATTER =D

[mach1rebel]

Ya my whole point to it is that if u want to conversate, do it right from the beginning. I dont mean to offend you Mach and if i did i apologize... And I didnt make a threat... A lil jui-jitsu in a gym for fun isnt a threat, geeeeeeee =D

And maybe it wasnt just what Mach said but other rebel fans added to it.. So if I offended any of you my bad!!!

IM JUST A DIE HARD LOBO FAN CHEERING ON MY ALMA MATTER =D

Its all good!

[18,018]

"Sportsmanship, another reason the MWC is... ABOVE THE REST"

(For anyone else who watches the mtn. much more than they should, like me)

[FoKuZ]

I owe Mach a beer =D

Cheers