New Mexico Quotes

[Mark]

Head coach George Barlow
Opening Statement

“Again, that’s not the result that we wanted. We went into the game thinking we’d like to have a lot better effort than we had last week. I thought the effort was better, but a lot of stuff that happened was self-inflicted—with the penalties, the turnovers and I thought we needed to do a better job of getting off the field the times that we got them in third down situations. On defense, you’ve got to get off the field, especially when you’re playing against that type of offense. They’re going to grind you and keep the ball, so when we had chances to get off the field we needed to do that. The turnovers and the penalties are the things that got us behind. We’ve got to correct those.”



On the turnovers and penalties…

“The turnovers, again, we’ve got to hold on to the ball and the quarterback has to do a good job of keeping the ball down and getting it to our receivers. There were also times when our quarterback got the ball to our receivers and we didn’t come through with the catch, so it goes both ways.
“With the penalties, especially the first play—that is unacceptable. Defensively they like to move around and they’ll move pre-snap. We talked about it and knew our linemen needed to be disciplined. We knew those types of things were coming and we had to stay put.”



On what coach said to the team following the game…

“After this one, I told them I thought the effort was better. That was one of the things we talked about—having a much better effort. I thought the guys kept fighting. They were trying to do some things to stay in the game, but we what we can’t do is make the mistakes, the penalties. We’ve got to get both of them (good effort and less mistakes/penalties) going together. I told them we need to keep fighting and grinding to where we put this thing together—where we give the effort and cut down on the mistakes and we might give ourselves a chance to win.”



On whether or not coach considered using Tarean Austin…

“Yeah, we did at a time, but for this particular game David and I felt like we wanted to try to stick with a guy—stick with B.R.—to see if he could get hot and get in a rhythm. We keep going back and forth. This particular game, we didn’t think he was that effective, but I didn’t think he was at a point where we needed to take him out, so we stuck with him.”



The last three games—42-0, 69-0 and 42-0—on whether or not things have gotten worse with the program…

“If you go by those scores, I would say it would be hard for me to say that it hasn’t gotten worse, but again I thought the guys gave good effort. They haven’t given up, I haven’t given up on the situation, so in terms of the way it looks—yeah, it probably does look worse. But I think the guys still have some fight in them and I’m going to keep coaching them as long as they keep fighting.”




On the different levels of enthusiasm from half-to-half (fired up in the first, not as much in the second when the score was 35-0)…

“In the second half we were still trying to fight—I thought the guys were still fighting. Again, I’m going to try to be as enthusiastic as I can to keep the guys going. We weren’t as enthusiastic once it was 35-0, but again, I still thought the guys kept fighting. On offense, we were still trying to score and still trying to run the ball. Defensively, we were still trying to scrap and get after the ball—it’s just tough when you’re playing against that type of offense and you’re down, they’re pounding you and you’ve been out there a while—it’s tough to get stops, but I thought they were still fighting. We’ve just got to find a way to correct mistakes and not turn the ball over.”




On Carmen Messina’s effort today and leadership on the team…

“Carmen is the man; he’s a ball player and the leader of this team. He’s the one I depend on to try to keep these guys going on a regular basis. Every Saturday he’s going to give you what he’s got, and that shows and it showed out there today. There were times they had guys in open field and he came out of nowhere, playing as hard as he can to make plays. Again, I’m happy to have him—love having him on the team and he’s the guy that I keep using as an example on this team.”




New Mexico Player Quotes

Carmen Messina, Linebacker
On how difficult it is to keep positive and the team positive after so many losses…
It is not that difficult. I realize that I only have a couple more opportunities to play the game that I love and play at this level, (so) it is not that difficult for me. I am going to play 110% every game because the light at the end of the tunnel is coming to a close.



On the mood in the locker room…

Frustrating … nothing to be happy about or laugh about. I only have a few more opportunities to get that win that we need to get things rolling again, it is definitely frustrating, and a lot of heads are down. But it is the seniors’ jobs to keep heads up and keep them focused



On if other teammates have their heads down or on the verge of giving up…

“Give up? I don’t even know what that means. It’s not in my dictionary and something I would never do. If I ever saw someone on the sideline or field take their foot off the gas, I would be right in their face, because that is not what Lobo football is all about. You are going to play hard every chance you get, you are going to try and hit someone. If anybody didn’t, I would definitely be getting in their face and going after them.”

Crusoe Gongbay, running back



On the attitude in locker room…

“Everyone is mad. Mad after every game. Pretty much the same thing, but we just gotta get better.”


On his performance…

“I think it was average, usually always average so hopefully next week it will be better.”



On the rough start in terms of team wins to his career…

“It’s definitely different and frustrating. I thought I was coming into something that was going to be on the uplift, but that isn’t the case. But hopefully next week we can get things going.”



Frank Mercogliano
Asst. Athletic Director for Communications
Men’s Basketball, Cross Country Contact

[NMStorm]

“Give up? I don’t even know what that means. It’s not in my dictionary and something I would never do. If I ever saw someone on the sideline or field take their foot off the gas, I would be right in their face, because that is not what Lobo football is all about. You are going to play hard every chance you get, you are going to try and hit someone. If anybody didn’t, I would definitely be getting in their face and going after them.”

You can very clearly see at least 1/3rd of the players on the sideline totally giving up and I didn't see him in any of their faces! Bull.

[LoboJ1]

Carmen is the man. Totally a Rocky Long guy. I am very glad to know the next coach we get in the next 4-8 weeks will be night an day ahead of Locks. That in itself gives me great satisfaction. Lots of hope when that name gets in the media!

[NMT01]

Sucks we couldn't have Carmen for another couple years when we have a new coach.

[BYF]

Anyone listen to Stig this afternoon? I thought he was hinting (on more than one occasion) that a new coach was going to be here sooner rather than later.

[Mark]

Anyone listen to Stig this afternoon? I thought he was hinting (on more than one occasion) that a new coach was going to be here sooner rather than later.

Noooo! that would be cookoo!! :wave:

[The great88]

“Give up? I don’t even know what that means. It’s not in my dictionary and something I would never do. If I ever saw someone on the sideline or field take their foot off the gas, I would be right in their face, because that is not what Lobo football is all about. You are going to play hard every chance you get, you are going to try and hit someone. If anybody didn’t, I would definitely be getting in their face and going after them.”

You can very clearly see at least 1/3rd of the players on the sideline totally giving up and I didn't see him in any of their faces! Bull.

You can clearly see from where I sit in front of my computer that NMStorm only has 1/3 of his brain function.

[NMStorm]

You can clearly see from where I sit in front of my computer that NMStorm only has 1/3 of his brain function.

I've lost 1/3 of my brain function because im pointing out what is plain as day??? You dont think a good portion of the players on this team has quit? Id much rather believe that they've quit than the alternative explanation, wouldnt you??? How long have you been a lobo fan...what 8 months??? You and I can talk brain function all night long and im confident of where ill end up in that conversation.

[loborick]

Actually, I believe 88 is a player's dad.

[The great88]

I've lost 1/3 of my brain function because im pointing out what is plain as day??? You dont think a good portion of the players on this team has quit? Id much rather believe that they've quit than the alternative explanation, wouldnt you??? How long have you been a lobo fan...what 8 months??? You and I can talk brain function all night long and im confident of where ill end up in that conversation.

Yeah, I'm cofident where you'll end up too.:cool:

I don't think ANY players have quit, not one. And, I've been a LOBO fan a few more than 8 months.

[NMStorm]

Actually, I believe 88 is a player's dad.

I know...that's why I said he had only been a lobos fan for like 8 months and honestly I dont care. My observation remains the same. I have to believe these guys have just given up, I cant believe that they are doing their very best and losing this bad. I've stuck by this team since I was six years old and have been there through the worst Sheppard years and the best of rocky and Fran. What has happened to this football program is unprecedented and could destroy the entire athletic program. Frankly, we've been too forgiving and apethetic about this whole situation.

[zoom]

i did not see any quit in any players today...lots of mistakes including the coaching staff with their clock management and play calling at the end of the first half...

[NMStorm]

Yeah, I'm cofident where you'll end up too.:cool:

I don't think ANY players have quit, not one. And, I've been a LOBO fan a few more than 8 months.

I figured you'd go with the typical grammar smack. Im writing on my cell which loves to incorrectly auto-correct but if you feel better with your grammar smack then go for it. If you truly believe none of these players have given up then we've got nothing else to talk about since we both know who's using that 1/3...unless youd like to insult me again or post some more stupid grammar smack.

[The great88]

I figured you'd go with the typical grammar smack. Im writing on my cell which loves to incorrectly auto-correct but if you feel better with your grammar smack then go for it. If you truly believe none of these players have given up then we've got nothing else to talk about since we both know who's using that 1/3...unless youd like to insult me again or post some more stupid grammar smack.

Ha, ha LMAO, Grammer smack? :arms:

Actually, there was one there and I edited it out because I didn't want to get to that level. Maybe it's just your cell phone that is low on batteries. Funny!

[Mark]

Id say NMStorm is wrong. I dont think its 1/3 but theres no question last game some had given up. Anytime one of your own calls out the team then you know its a problem. Hooks flat out said some have quit. Everyone I spoke with on the sideline was happy Hooks called the players out because they too had seen certain individuals quit. Im just happy to see guys out there fighting like Hooks, Jaymar, Ty Kirk, Lucus Reed, and Carmen Messina. I saw guys out there playing much harder than last game. But this is coming from an Aggie fan so... :biggrin:

[NMStorm]

Id say NMStorm is wrong. I dont think its 1/3 but theres no question last game some had given up. Anytime one of your own calls out the team then you know its a problem. Hooks flat out said some have quit. Everyone I spoke with on the sideline was happy Hooks called the players out because they too had seen certain individuals quit. Im just happy to see guys out there fighting like Hooks, Jaymar, Ty Kirk, Lucus Reed, and Carmen Messina. I saw guys out there playing much harder than last game.

Well naturally I didnt do a head count on the number that has quit and sure I used a bit of hyperbole but the FACT is that some maybe even many have quit. But dont tell that to lobo88 because hes too busy worrying about grammer (spellcheck on my android changes it to grammar which must mean that lobo88 is sharp as a tack). My initial point is valid...players have quit.

[NMStorm]

Ha, ha LMAO, Grammer smack? :arms:

Actually, there was one there and I edited it out because I didn't want to get to that level. Maybe it's just your cell phone that is low on batteries. Funny!

Yeah...you got it exactly. My auto-correct isn't working because its low on batteries. I better go change them. Have you checked yours?

[Mark]

Leave out the personal attack both of you. Please debate but dont name call.
And NMStorm, get an iPhone for petes sake.

[The great88]

Id say NMStorm is wrong. I dont think its 1/3 but theres no question last game some had given up. Anytime one of your own calls out the team then you know its a problem. Hooks flat out said some have quit. Everyone I spoke with on the sideline was happy Hooks called the players out because they too had seen certain individuals quit. Im just happy to see guys out there fighting like Hooks, Jaymar, Ty Kirk, Lucus Reed, and Carmen Messina. I saw guys out there playing much harder than last game. But this is coming from an Aggie fan so... :biggrin:


Mark, I think I know who you are, and I think it is REALLY inappropriate for any one associated with LOBO football to come on any web site and say that Players have quit. Anthony came on TRM and clarified his statements. He said that by "quitting" he meant that he saw players talking to each other on the sidelines, when he thought in the middle of a 69-0 blow out, they should be more composed and quiet. He aslo said that some on the plane were talking loudly which he also thought was in appropriate after such a loss----but that's a WHOLE lot different than quitting.

It's Ok for fans to come on a board and say whatever they want, but for a moderator or an employee of the UNM to do the same is out of line.

[The great88]

Yeah...you got it exactly. My auto-correct isn't working because its low on batteries. I better go change them. Have you checked yours?

Yeah, mine are topped right up.

[Mark]

But I thought you said I was an Aggie fan. Should I be able to comment now? All kidding aside.

Im sure youve spoken with Hooks. Me and a radio personality were talking on the sidelines today. He told me that Hooks is a great interview and extremely sharp. Real good kid and really bright.
He knows what hes saying when he said it. Lets not pretend like he meant something else. Im not calling him a liar but I believe that someone got into his ear after the interview and persuaded him "clarify" what he really meant. I like Hooks as a player, never spoken one word to him but after talking to someone on the sideline I would almost guarantee you a UNM official had a talk with him.

[NMStorm]

Mark, I think I know who you are, and I think it is REALLY inappropriate for any one associated with LOBO football to come on any web site and say that Players have quit. Anthony came on TRM and clarified his statements. He said that by "quitting" he meant that he saw players talking to each other on the sidelines, when he thought in the middle of a 69-0 blow out, they should be more composed and quiet. He aslo said that some on the plane were talking loudly which he also thought was in appropriate after such a loss----but that's a WHOLE lot different than quitting.

It's Ok for fans to come on a board and say whatever they want, but for a moderator or an employee of the UNM to do the same is out of line.

Mark, I didn't know you were associated with lobo football? Or does being a moderator automatically make you associated with lobo football. WE ARE ALL ASSOCIATED WITH LOBO FOOTBALL!!! Many of us have put in hours, day, months, years into unm athletics (not just football) and significant amounts of monetary resources just to have some jonny come lately person who will forget all about the UNM ATHLETIC PROGRAMS the second it becomes convenient for them come on here and tell us how to feel and act. I didnt start the name calling but im not going to sit back and bite my tongue just because one Guy doesn't like to deal with the truth.

[NMStorm]

But I thought you said I was an Aggie fan. Should I be able to comment now? All kidding aside.

Im sure youve spoken with Hooks. Me and a radio personality were talking on the sidelines today. He told me that Hooks is a great interview and extremely sharp. Real good kid and really bright.
He knows what hes saying when he said it. Lets not pretend like he meant something else. Im not calling him a liar but I believe that someone got into his ear after the interview and persuaded him "clarify" what he really meant. I like Hooks as a player, never spoken one word to him but after talking to someone on the sideline I would almost guarantee you a UNM official had a talk with him.

Mark...how dare you question hooks integrity you dang Aggie fan. I know who you are, you're simple Frank the Aggie fan and wnmu football coach. I can tell by your grammer.

My concern is for the entire lobo program not one team for a short period of time until my son finishes his eligibility. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth, most of us want the best for unm for the long haul.

[The great88]

Mark...how dare you question hooks integrity you dang Aggie fan. I know who you are, you're simple Frank the Aggie fan and wnmu football coach. I can tell by your grammer.

My concern is for the entire lobo program not one team for a short period of time until my son finishes his eligibility. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth, most of us want the best for unm for the long haul.


Mark, sorry, got you confused with someone else.

Nevertheless, I think the players on the team, and their parents, should know your feelings. I will convey to them what your opinion of them is.

NMStorm, I hope your kid son gets to play for a team and people accuse him of quitting. What goes around.....

"My concern is for the entire lobo program not one team for a short period of time until my son finishes his eligibility. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth, most of us want the best for unm for the long haul.[/"

Batteries again? :31:

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[The great88]

"Me and a radio personality".

Hate to throw the grammer card, but come on now! I sometimes wonder how you people can make enough money to even eat when you can't speak or write the English language.

[junior2430]

It's pretty clear that the entire roster isn't giving 100%. The roster is too talented for every single player to be giving his all with the results we've seen. If every player had played as hard as Carmen is playing, we wouldn't have lost these last 3 games 160-7.

Great88, no one is saying your son quit. But some aren't giving their all.

[The great88]

2430, BS, they are simply overmatched.

I would like to put you in the ring with a professional boxer and see if fans didn't think you were "quitting".

The kids are over matched in recruiting----this has always been the case. On top of that, their coach of two + years has been fired. You have a bunch of well meaning coaches out there who know they will soon be on their way, and you would like to throw it on the kids? Get some Balls and stand behind the kids.

[attydude]

"Me and a radio personality". Hate to throw the grammer card, but come on now! I sometimes wonder how you people can make enough money to even eat when you can't speak or write the English language.That was uncalled for. Defending your son and his teammates is admirable, but attacking people for stating their opinions on a public chat forum makes you appear petty and bitter. And being a pedant in the process doesn't help your cause any.

[UNM Class of 1972]

I've lost 1/3 of my brain function because im pointing out what is plain as day??? You dont think a good portion of the players on this team has quit? Id much rather believe that they've quit than the alternative explanation, wouldnt you??? How long have you been a lobo fan...what 8 months??? You and I can talk brain function all night long and im confident of where ill end up in that conversation.

You really shouldn't have taken a shot a Crusoe. He is one of many players who has not given up and gives it all just like Carmen Messina, Lucas Reed, Bollema, Hooks, Rogers, and others. I don't think I can say that about all players but why attack Gombay. An apology is in order to that young man.

[NMStorm]

You really shouldn't have taken a shot a Crusoe. He is one of many players who has not given up and gives it all just like Carmen Messina, Lucas Reed, Bollema, Hooks, Rogers, and others. I don't think I can say that about all players but why attack Gombay. An apology is in order to that young man.

Where did you see me taking a shot at ANY SPECIFIC PLAYER especially CG? I hadn't thought about him .or a second and agree with you on the rest.

[NMStorm]

Leave out the personal attack both of you. Please debate but dont name call.
And NMStorm, get an iPhone for petes sake.

I missed your "IPhone" comment mark. Haven't you pointed out several times that your phone (which is an IPhone) has incorrectly auto-corrected words within your posts? Don't make me go on another IPhone rant...:yup:

[LoboFX]

I will wade into this mess. . . Grammer is actually Grammar


"Me and a radio personality".

Hate to throw the grammer card, but come on now! I sometimes wonder how you people can make enough money to even eat when you can't speak or write the English language.



UNM Class of 1972

http://thelobolair.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by NMStorm http://thelobolair.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thelobolair.com/forum/showthread.php?p=388985#post388985)
I've lost 1/3 of my brain function because im pointing out what is plain as day??? You dont think a good portion of the players on this team has quit? Id much rather believe that they've quit than the alternative explanation, wouldnt you??? How long have you been a lobo fan...what 8 months??? You and I can talk brain function all night long and im confident of where ill end up in that conversation.


You really shouldn't have taken a shot a Crusoe. He is one of many players who has not given up and gives it all just like Carmen Messina, Lucas Reed, Bollema, Hooks, Rogers, and others. I don't think I can say that about all players but why attack Gombay. An apology is in order to that young man.




I believe Storm was referring to Messina and not Crusoe. Nevertheless, an apology is warranted. We don't see everything the players do and Carmen is a great leader on the team.


88 - I realize and understand your desire to back the players on the team. However, last week the effort against TCU just wasn't there. The team as a whole had better effort this week but just can't get it together. I don't like the word "QUIT". but it has been a rough ride for many on the team. Barlow is trying to put his stamp on the team. It is difficult because some of these young men seem to have lost faith in their abilities as football players. That is something to be expected; as it is difficult to keep your faith when you are 2-26. Barlow is doing his best to unite the team and restore their faith. It is not going to happen overnight. What many see as the team "Quitting", I see it as playing with hesitation. The athletes need to recall their high school playing days when they were the studs on the team and play with the same intensity.

Others state because they see the kids smiling or joking on the sidelines, that that means they have quit. We all deal with stress in different ways and sometimes act inappropriately at times. I think that the kids want to win, want to play hard, they just have forgotten how. They have not been in this type of situation before.

I will agree that players were upset about Locksley getting fired, but I think it had a lot to do with what he said to the players during his final speech. Many of those players complained about him the week before and didn't see him as the leader of the team. They liked him off the field, but questioned his ability as a coach. It is complicated for these young men. The first time Locksley spoke to the athletes, they truly believed in him. They were excited. Things started to go downhill during Spring practice of 2009 and Locksley just couldn't get his team back.

The first thing the new coach needs to do is embrace all the players as his own, state his expectations for the team and the individuals, and if certain players can't or won't meet those expectations, then there needs to be consequences. The same rules need to apply to all the student athletes.

[NMStorm]

Mark, sorry, got you confused with someone else.

Nevertheless, I think the players on the team, and their parents, should know your feelings. I will convey to them what your opinion of them is.

NMStorm, I hope your kid son gets to play for a team and people accuse him of quitting. What goes around.....

"My concern is for the entire lobo program not one team for a short period of time until my son finishes his eligibility. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth, most of us want the best for unm for the long haul.[/"

Batteries again? :31:

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If either of my boys are ever lucky enough to earn scholarships at UNM I will not care one iota what anybody thinks of them! Sadly, they aren't interested in sports at all. They are both geeks and are more likely to end up on academic scholarships albeit not at UNM. My eldest son is in an advanced engineering program at his high school and is likely headed to the Colorado School of Mines on scholarship. I've accused him of quitting in one class or another several times...

[NMStorm]

I will wade into this mess. . . Grammer is actually Grammar







I believe Storm was referring to Messina and not Crusoe. Nevertheless, an apology is warranted. We don't see everything the players do and Carmen is a great leader on the team.


88 - I realize and understand your desire to back the players on the team. However, last week the effort against TCU just wasn't there. The team as a whole had better effort this week but just can't get it together. I don't like the word "QUIT". but it has been a rough ride for many on the team. Barlow is trying to put his stamp on the team. It is difficult because some of these young men seem to have lost faith in their abilities as football players. That is something to be expected; as it is difficult to keep your faith when you are 2-26. Barlow is doing his best to unite the team and restore their faith. It is not going to happen overnight. What many see as the team "Quitting", I see it as playing with hesitation. The athletes need to recall their high school playing days when they were the studs on the team and play with the same intensity.

Others state because they see the kids smiling or joking on the sidelines, that that means they have quit. We all deal with stress in different ways and sometimes act inappropriately at times. I think that the kids want to win, want to play hard, they just have forgotten how. They have not been in this type of situation before.

I will agree that players were upset about Locksley getting fired, but I think it had a lot to do with what he said to the players during his final speech. Many of those players complained about him the week before and didn't see him as the leader of the team. They liked him off the field, but questioned his ability as a coach. It is complicated for these young men. The first time Locksley spoke to the athletes, they truly believed in him. They were excited. Things started to go downhill during Spring practice of 2009 and Locksley just couldn't get his team back.

The first thing the new coach needs to do is embrace all the players as his own, state his expectations for the team and the individuals, and if certain players can't or won't meet those expectations, then there needs to be consequences. The same rules need to apply to all the student athletes.


Good post, good points. I don't think I owe ANYBODY an apology. Carmen said that none of the players had quit and if they had he would be "up in their face". I've seen players quit and Carmen is not up in their face. That doesn't mean he isn't a great leader or anything else negative about him...it just means that I call bull on that quote. Simple. I see what you are saying about handling stress and losing confidence and that is probably the case for some of the players but I am still certain that some have quit. my opinion based on what i'm seeing.

[NMStorm]

2430, BS, they are simply overmatched.

I would like to put you in the ring with a professional boxer and see if fans didn't think you were "quitting".

The kids are over matched in recruiting----this has always been the case. On top of that, their coach of two + years has been fired. You have a bunch of well meaning coaches out there who know they will soon be on their way, and you would like to throw it on the kids? Get some Balls and stand behind the kids.

So you’re saying that our Lobo football players going up against D-1A athletes is the same thing as some over-the-hill fan competing against a professional boxer??? Really…and your accusing other people of not having the kids backs? Should we bring up your stupid battery comment again?

You really think we are over-matched in recruiting versus Air Force, Nevada, Sam Houston State, Colorado State, and NMSU? Really??????? If anybody is insulting the kids, it’s you with that comment. I think they are significantly better than they have shown and are not over-matched. I think SOME have quit and I agree with LoboFX that some have forgotten how good they are and need to re-learn success. I’d never say that they are comparable to a bunch of old men banging on computer keyboards.

[GiJoeRay]

Very few players on this team are mentally tough. That is the issue. As a whole they dont have the resolve to keep fighting when they are down. If the opposing team gets up by double digits, the game is effectively over.

[Mark]

Mark, sorry, got you confused with someone else.

Nevertheless, I think the players on the team, and their parents, should know your feelings. I will convey to them what your opinion of them is.

NMStorm, I hope your kid son gets to play for a team and people accuse him of quitting. What goes around.....

"My concern is for the entire lobo program not one team for a short period of time until my son finishes his eligibility. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth, most of us want the best for unm for the long haul.[/"

Batteries again? :31:

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What exactly would you tell the parents you speak with? That im calling out the players who quit on their sons? The players who were not giving 100%? The same thing echoed by their head coach and d-Back?
If thats the case then I am 100% guilty.

You want to know something I heard standing on the field yesterday? Mekio Locksley saying "F that, were not quitting! No quit! Not today!. He was up in the huddle screaming this. Why would a player saying the "Q" word on the field if it didnt happen previously? It was obvious to me and anyone listening he was talking about the TCU game. I appreciated that out of him. Taking ownership in something. That was good to see the passion from someone who has every reason to quit.

Ask Carrie Hardeman about me. Ask Shelly Gordon, Alan Dunning about what a horrible person I am and I promise you they will all say one thing.

I never try to "get in bed with them". Meaning, I never overstep my boundaries. I have NEVER pressed them up about anything. I don't contact them all the time. Almost NEVER. They almost always contact me.

Why, do you ask?
Because guy named Jimmy Hester taught me a very valuable lesson a 5 or so years ago. See, there was a player by the name of Aaron Johnson. His dad was obsessed with his ability's. Truth be told, he wasn't very good. He began to spread this anger on Jimmy's message board. Jimmy became best friends with him and his site went into flames. They both began this anger towards UNM and the coaching staff. He now struggles and begs for people to read his writings. That is why almost nobody responded to his article about Lucas. Not because of Lucas but because of Jimmy.
Now, obviously Lucas is a NFL prospect and has aligned himself for great opportunities but the message remains the same. You have to separate yourself and that is what I do.

I'm not sure why you like to call me out so much. Ive been nothing but supportive of you and your son while you cant say the same. When we spoke on the phone I was honest with you. I told you I had serious questions about the leadership of this team. What disturbed me about your comments is you flat out told me you could careless what the Lobos win as long as Lucas gets the ball. You followed that with the "I still want the team to win but". At that time you told me flat out that you didn't care if the team won a game as long as Lucas did well.
That is troubling. In fact, maybe that is why your so bitter. Think about it.
I'm not sure why you don't think I can have an opinion on my own message board. If I invest countless resources devoted to the Lobos then you better believe I am going to voice my opinion win or lose.

[NMStorm]

What exactly would you tell the parents you speak with? That im calling out the players who quit on their sons? The players who were not giving 100%? The same thing echoed by their head coach and d-Back?
If thats the case then I am 100% guilty.

You want to know something I heard standing on the field yesterday? Mekio Locksley saying "F that, were not quitting! No quit! Not today!. He was up in the huddle screaming this. Why would a player saying the "Q" word on the field if it didnt happen previously? It was obvious to me and anyone listening he was talking about the TCU game. I appreciated that out of him. Taking ownership in something. That was good to see the passion from someone who has every reason to quit.

Ask Carrie Hardeman about me. Ask Shelly Gordon, Alan Dunning about what a horrible person I am and I promise you they will all say one thing.

I never try to "get in bed with them". Meaning, I never overstep my boundaries. I have NEVER pressed them up about anything. I don't contact them all the time. Almost NEVER. They almost always contact me.

Why, do you ask?
Because guy named Jimmy Hester taught me a very valuable lesson a 5 or so years ago. See, there was a player by the name of Aaron Johnson. His dad was obsessed with his ability's. Truth be told, he wasn't very good. He began to spread this anger on Jimmy's message board. Jimmy became best friends with him and his site went into flames. They both began this anger towards UNM and the coaching staff. He now struggles and begs for people to read his writings. That is why almost nobody responded to his article about Lucas. Not because of Lucas but because of Jimmy.
Now, obviously Lucas is a NFL prospect and has aligned himself for great opportunities but the message remains the same. You have to separate yourself and that is what I do.

I'm not sure why you like to call me out so much. Ive been nothing but supportive of you and your son while you cant say the same. When we spoke on the phone I was honest with you. I told you I had serious questions about the leadership of this team. What disturbed me about your comments is you flat out told me you could careless what the Lobos win as long as Lucas gets the ball. You followed that with the "I still want the team to win but". At that time you told me flat out that you didn't care if the team won a game as long as Lucas did well.
That is troubling. In fact, maybe that is why your so bitter. Think about it.
I'm not sure why you don't think I can have an opinion on my own message board. If I invest countless resources devoted to the Lobos then you better believe I am going to voice my opinion win or lose.

Uh oh, now he done did it, he got Mark to get all factual up in this place.

So Bob is Lobo88?? Bob, your son is a tremendous TE with NFL skills. It sucks that we can’t see his full potential because of how bad the program is right now and I have a sneaking feeling that you are going to totally deny that you told Mark you were more concerned about your son getting touches than the team winning…I’m sure that will be spun and spun again. Anyway, I hope he plays at the next level. I was looking at his GoLobos bio and was wondering, has he picked a major yet? He still has “university studies” on GoLobos and it bugs me to see so many scholarship athletes going that route. I like to see majors like “Computer Science (my degree), “pre-law”, “chemical Engineering”…you know, degrees like that. It bugs me that so many college athletes (especially football players) end up with crap arts or university studies degrees. I had to pay a pretty penny for my last degree and serve six years in the Air Force for my first three; I like to see people take advantage of sort of free schooling.

In all seriousness, we are ALL Lobos fans and many of us have been behind these teams for decades and will be behind these teams for decades to come.

[LoboFX]

I was looking at his GoLobos bio and was wondering, has he picked a major yet? He still has “university studies” on GoLobos and it bugs me to see so many scholarship athletes going that route. I like to see majors like “Computer Science (my degree), “pre-law”, “chemical Engineering”…you know, degrees like that. It bugs me that so many college athletes (especially football players) end up with crap arts or university studies degrees.

Ok so let me total hijack this thread - if it hasn't been already.

Don't get me started on this University Studies crap. UNM will tell you that a Liberal Arts degree is the way to go. BULL ****. The problem is the last guy that was the academic advisor did not do a great job of advising and getting them into useful degrees. He was told to make sure that the guys pass and graduate; thus they end up taking crap courses and get a degree, but not a useful one IMHO. By the time the kid starts maturing and figuring out what he wants to do, usually his Junior year, it is too late. Per NCAA guidelines, they have to be so far along in their major in order to play. It is just messed up. I would like UNM to give some major career counseling to the guys to help them decide on a major early, instead of going the University Studies route. Hopefully their new advisor (who started this fall) will do just that. (The other guy was also responsible for Messina tweeting that he has already taken a class that this advisor put him in!) There are also issues with scheduling. Some students aren't able to take certain labs/late afternoon and night classes that they might need because they interfere with practice.


Storm - don't be too hard on 88 for his son's choice, as it might not have been his! GOLobos might also have not updated their site or he has to declare University Studies for NCAA but is actually working toward something else.

[eazy06]

The kids are over matched? Oh great I thought locksley was suppose to be a great recruiter? All this time he was recruiting D2 athletes. We've really gone backward.

[NMStorm]

Ok so let me total hijack this thread - if it hasn't been already.

Don't get me started on this University Studies crap. UNM will tell you that a Liberal Arts degree is the way to go. BULL ****. The problem is the last guy that was the academic advisor did not do a great job of advising and getting them into useful degrees. He was told to make sure that the guys pass and graduate; thus they end up taking crap courses and get a degree, but not a useful one IMHO. By the time the kid starts maturing and figuring out what he wants to do, usually his Junior year, it is too late. Per NCAA guidelines, they have to be so far along in their major in order to play. It is just messed up. I would like UNM to give some major career counseling to the guys to help them decide on a major early, instead of going the University Studies route. Hopefully their new advisor (who started this fall) will do just that. (The other guy was also responsible for Messina tweeting that he has already taken a class that this advisor put him in!) There are also issues with scheduling. Some students aren't able to take certain labs/late afternoon and night classes that they might need because they interfere with practice.


Storm - don't be too hard on 88 for his son's choice, as it might not have been his! GOLobos might also have not updated their site or he has to declare University Studies for NCAA but is actually working toward something else.

I’m not trying to be hard on him at all and was implying what you are saying. I think the University Studies thing is totally crap but it isn’t exclusive to UNM by a long shot. Go to any college football roster on the web and they will be littered with University Studies and Liberal Arts majors. I didn’t intend it as an insult and I apologize to him if it is taken that way.

Bob is all about education, he has pointed out several times on this thread alone how ignorant and illiterate we are due to our horrible grammer/grammar. I just thought it was a bit funny/ironic but I didn’t really want for it to be an insult…more of a playful barb to try to lighten my mood (because I do get moody).

[zoom]

Very few players on this team are mentally tough. That is the issue

this may be true...but it is not the same as saying **** it, i don't care...

[The great88]

It's all good guys.

Lucas is a communications major.

Young Locks might have been talking about no one quitting, because lately it seems to be the catch phrase of the uninformed.

What I said, Mark, is that I am always sorry when the Lobos lose, but if Lucas has a good game, it helps ease the pain. I guess that's easy to misinterpret.

I don't know any of your references, Mark.

Good luck with your sons NMStorm----maybe when they grow up, they can help with your phone...............

[NMStorm]

It's all good guys.

Lucas is a communications major.

Young Locks might have been talking about no one quitting, because lately it seems to be the catch phrase of the uninformed.

What I said, Mark, is that I am always sorry when the Lobos lose, but if Lucas has a good game, it helps ease the pain. I guess that's easy to misinterpret.

I don't know any of your references, Mark.

Good luck with your sons NMStorm----maybe when they grow up, they can help with your phone...............

That is good for LR; Communications is a step up from University Studies…

Your reply to Mark is dang near exactly what I thought you'd say and comes as no surprise. I'm sure you care deeply when any of our LOBO teams lose just like the rest of us do.

It’s funny that you mention getting help from my son on my phone because I started working on Android applications as a project at my job two weeks ago. They paid for me to take a few training classes so I was all for it. Last week I learned how to build, integrate, and use algorithms similar to the ones used by my spell checker program which you’ve been so critical of in previous posts. It was funny timing that those algorithms would fail me when I was trying to make a point on a message board only days after I learned how they work. Granted, building Java-based android applications isn’t as high level as comma and apostrophe placement in message board posts that you are so very proud of but I think I’ll be able to build several good applications for my (government) job. I might need your help with using the words “have” and “has” though if you are available.

[The great88]

Feel free to call on me anytime.

Glad you second guessed me as to my reply to Mark---only an idiot would think that a Lobo parent would not care if the team lost as long as his son did well---and a guy who has 3 (4?) degrees, who is so insecure about his language and making mistakes, and has a gov't job (!) surely wouldn't make an error like that. Little tounge in cheek here. But, please don't worry about your use of "has" rather than "have" anymore. I can see it's eating at you. I too make mistakes in my grammar once in awhile----speeling too.

Mark, As far as Jimmy Hester goes, I like Jimmy and think of him as a good friend. I think I am going to disassociate myself from this site. It's nice to read about the Lobos, but first the posters on the site---and then you personally----said Locks should quit or be fired. Then, despite your statement that anger against a previous coach is what destroyed Jimmie's site and you keep "your boundries" you say the kids are quitting, and I just don't want to be part of something that impugns the character of the kids----any of the kids---or the head coach. To say this kid or that kid made a mistake, dropped a pass, missed a block, went off sides, is one thing, but to call them "quitters" is way out of line, particularly on a format that ostensibly supports them. No offense, I think you're probably a good fellow and we have talked on the phone. Good luck with your family.

[NMStorm]

Feel free to call on me anytime.

Glad you second guessed me as to my reply to Mark---only an idiot would think that a Lobo parent would not care if the team lost as long as his son did well---and a guy who has 3 (4?) degrees, who is so insecure about his language and making mistakes, and has a gov't job (!) surely wouldn't make an error like that. Little tounge in cheek here. But, please don't worry about your use of "has" rather than "have" anymore. I can see it's eating at you. I too make mistakes in my grammar once in awhile----speeling too.

Mark, As far as Jimmy Hester goes, I like Jimmy and think of him as a good friend. I think I am going to disassociate myself from this site. It's nice to read about the Lobos, but first the posters on the site---and then you personally----said Locks should quit or be fired. Then, despite your statement that anger against a previous coach is what destroyed Jimmie's site and you keep "your boundries" you say the kids are quitting, and I just don't want to be part of something that impugns the character of the kids----any of the kids---or the head coach. To say this kid or that kid made a mistake, dropped a pass, missed a block, went off sides, is one thing, but to call them "quitters" is way out of line, particularly on a format that ostensibly supports them. No offense, I think you're probably a good fellow and we have talked on the phone. Good luck with your family.

Oh yeah...its eating at me. I just like to mock people when they do something inane like grammar correction on a message board. Sorta like a pet peeve I guess.

I like Jimmy too and when all that stuff sent down I was on a hiatus from message boards but I've always thought he was a good Guy and true lobo fan.

I could see you getting mad if specific players were called put but it was just general statements and not directed at any player in particular. I doubt you'll find a fan base of any team in any sport in the entire world that wouldn't have a portion of their fans feeling the same way. Frankly, I think its always best for parents of players to stay away from message boards, especially when things aren't going well. Parents have a very personal stake in the matter and I can see how difficult it would be to not be constantly offended. Even in perfect conditions there will be critics.

[Mark]

We both know what was said so im going to leave it at that. I dont care to prove anyone right or wrong. I only used it as a way to present my point. I never called all the players quitters. I did some a few that quit on their teammates and so did Coach Barlow and Hooks. You cant debate that. Its been said. Until.. maybe 3 or 4 games in (this year) I never said UNM should fire Locks.
Many tried to say that when I said that UNM and Locks needed to part ways. I posted that last year. I said both need to come to an agreement and split. BIG difference yet.

It wasn't to recently that I said Locks needed to be fired. I still stand behind that 100%. You yourself just said that our talent (3 years of Locks recruiting) wasn't on the level of FCS programs. Thats MUCH more harsh that anything ive said about our athletes. In fact, other than me calling out the few that quit (like Hooks and Barlow and Krebs and TV and radio) you'll never see me say anything as bad you did today.

Your saint Jimmy Hester was also calling for Locksley firing. Are you as hard on him as you are me? If I know Jimmy the way I think I do, I can almost promise you he called a spade a spade against TCU. Ask him if he saw a few players quit.
And while were at it. LeeRoy also called out the players publicly. I guess your going to leave that site alone too?

[Mark]

"put forth a mans effort and not a little boys effort"

"effort was 5x better than the last 2 or 3 games"

"keep giving effort"

"keep giving me effort

Coach Barlow on 610am this morning. Said effort about 50 times.

[GiJoeRay]

"put forth a mans effort and not a little boys effort"

"effort was 5x better than the last 2 or 3 games"

"keep giving effort"

"keep giving me effort

Coach Barlow on 610am this morning. Said effort about 50 times.

Def sounds like a Coach who is calling out those whom have quit...

[Mark]

Btw. I wouldn't credit Ty Kirk with that PR fumble. They showed a replay and nobody put a hat on anyone. Running water downhill. I'm sure Ty thought he had more time but looked up and the entire AF team was on him.

[mikexom]

I think its a bit of being overwhelmed vs quitting, you have a team of players that are not strong (besides Messina, seems like none of our players bulge, I see other teams and even their kickers bulge, if you know what I mean), not well conditioned, not disciplined into a system for execution, playing for coaches that they do not have confidence in, against players that have all that. Our lineman remaind me of that scene in Animal House where the cop is in the middle of the road to remain calm, while he gets run over.

So we can probably quit arguing on whether players are quitting or not, more likely they are just overwhelmed (at least I hope we are not this bad talentwise) and once we can get some stability into the team, it will begin to turnaround, otherwise, its going to be a long hard slog to respectability.

[GiJoeRay]

I think its a bit of being overwhelmed vs quitting, you have a team of players that are not strong (besides Messina, seems like none of our players bulge, I see other teams and even their kickers bulge, if you know what I mean), not well conditioned, not disciplined into a system for execution, playing for coaches that they do not have confidence in, against players that have all that. Our lineman remaind me of that scene in Animal House where the cop is in the middle of the road to remain calm, while he gets run over.

So we can probably quit arguing on whether players are quitting or not, more likely they are just overwhelmed (at least I hope we are not this bad talentwise) and once we can get some stability into the team, it will begin to turnaround, otherwise, its going to be a long hard slog to respectability.

so they're not quitting, they only really try when they think they have a chance to win IE Sam Houston St, Colorado St?

[Loco Lobo 05]

i did not see any quit in any players today...lots of mistakes including the coaching staff with their clock management and play calling at the end of the first half...


Some of the players on the team have another form of quitting that involves mentally checking out of the game and just not caring, in other words they are going through the motions. I agree with nmstorm on this one. I don't believe that this team is as bad as they have shown on the field.

[hefman]

I have to say that I find it a bit humorous that a month ago we had pretty much everyone calling out the coaching staff for lousy tactics, poor game preparation, horrible motivation, etc., while the players were pretty much viewed as the victims back then. If I had a nickel for every "I feel sorry for these players" post from before Locksley was fired, I'd be giving out full-size candy bars tonight...

Now, Barlow and the remaining staff are suddenly the victims and the players are to blame? Does anybody besides me find this to be a tad ironic?

Seriously, everything is the same regarding the environment surrounding this team right now, except that the head man is gone, you have a lame duck coaching staff who've never led any program before, and you have a fan base and media that is collectively laughing at this team and talking about wanting this "nightmare" to be over, so we can hire a real coach and start to heal. Think about it. Did you REALLY have expectations that the team would suddenly get much better in that kind of scenario?

[NMStorm]

I have to say that I find it a bit humorous that a month ago we had pretty much everyone calling out the coaching staff for lousy tactics, poor game preparation, horrible motivation, etc., while the players were pretty much viewed as the victims back then. If I had a nickel for every "I feel sorry for these players" post from before Locksley was fired, I'd be giving out full-size candy bars tonight...

Now, Barlow and the remaining staff are suddenly the victims and the players are to blame? Does anybody besides me find this to be a tad ironic?

Seriously, everything is the same regarding the environment surrounding this team right now, except that the head man is gone, you have a lame duck coaching staff who've never led any program before, and you have a fan base and media that is collectively laughing at this team and talking about wanting this "nightmare" to be over, so we can hire a real coach and start to heal. Think about it. Did you REALLY have expectations that the team would suddenly get much better in that kind of scenario?

I said the coaches were terrible then and the players were quitting then. I say the coaches are terrible now and the players are quitting now. Nothing ironic about my stance on all this.

[hefman]

I said the coaches were terrible then and the players were quitting then. I say the coaches are terrible now and the players are quitting now. Nothing ironic about my stance on all this.

I wasn't really trying to single you out, as I haven't been keeping score on any individual posters. It's just that the general flavor of the posts on these forums have totally changed from anger directed at the head coach (and pity for the players) to anger toward the players and either pity or disinterest for the current coaches. That part of it is, indeed, ironic...

[GiJoeRay]

I wasn't really trying to single you out, as I haven't been keeping score on any individual posters. It's just that the general flavor of the posts on these forums have totally changed from anger directed at the head coach (and pity for the players) to anger toward the players and either pity or disinterest for the current coaches. That part of it is, indeed, ironic...

for me, that is because i feel that the player should have be relieved when Locks was fired, with the exception of Mieko. What really gets me is that 5-10 players, play thier ass off every play. 5-10 of 75 scholarship players. That is horrible.

[NMStorm]

I wasn't really trying to single you out, as I haven't been keeping score on any individual posters. It's just that the general flavor of the posts on these forums have totally changed from anger directed at the head coach (and pity for the players) to anger toward the players and either pity or disinterest for the current coaches. That part of it is, indeed, ironic...

I guess I see the gneral flavor of the posts a little different. I think there was plenty of blame to go around when Locks was still here that included the players. I think where I see the difference is that there was more passion/hope at the beginning of the season thus there were more posts and more opinions. At this point even the most die hard fans out there are past the shocked stage and many dont even know what to say anymore.

[hefman]

for me, that is because i feel that the player should have be relieved when Locks was fired, with the exception of Mieko. What really gets me is that 5-10 players, play thier ass off every play. 5-10 of 75 scholarship players. That is horrible.

The thing is, if you were campaigning that it was about coaching, why would you expect anything to be different because only the top guy is gone? I'm sorry, but if all of a sudden the players play better because they are "relieved" to see their coach gone, then I think I would definitely have to wonder about their effort while he was still here. Which is worse?

To me it just looks like, once we finished crucifying the pariah, we still aren't satisfied and are now going after a new villain. Before, they were the victims. They lost their coach and mentor, they are losing, bad, and they are getting shredded by media and fans all over. These players are in an absolutely awful situation right now, which some are making worse, IMO.