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    UNM Overpaid three coaches to the tune of $185K

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    I'm fairly sure this is really old news.

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    You can't coach ignorance. Some people were just born like that .

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    First time I heard it. Kudos to Fishbein who noticed the error and notified UNM even though his was a very small fraction of Neal’s. Curious to know if the money was even recouped from Neal since the article only mentions this for the other two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRLobo View Post
    I'm fairly sure this is really old news.
    Yes, but it now fits into a much bigger picture of negligence, poor accounting, and lax accountability that seems to have been the trend under Krebs. The lax accountability trickled down to the hoops program IMO.

    One can really appreciate Fish's integrity in bringing the issue to light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalLobo View Post
    Curious to know if the money was even recouped from Neal since the article only mentions this for the other two.
    It was reported to have been recouped long before the audit took place, and the audit itself confirmed that was true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAre View Post
    REEAALLY old news.

    Rumor is, Ray didn’t want to pay it back and was plenty pissed he had to.

    Might have been the the reason he went to Libit with the story as a source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffinthe505 View Post
    REEAALLY old news.

    Rumor is, Ray didn’t want to pay it back and was plenty pissed he had to.

    Might have been the the reason he went to Libit with the story as a source.
    He's pissed off about having to pay back money that doesn't belong to him? And then went to Libit so that his employer gets dragged through the mud? Hmmm. I hope that's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRLobo View Post
    I'm fairly sure this is really old news.
    Some just want to constantly go down memory lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbarr View Post
    Some just want to constantly go down memory lane.
    And not going far enough. Same system has been in place for at least 30 years. Bridgers, Koenig, Davalos, all probably took advantage of it before Krebs stepped to the plate. Not in any way excusing it, just adding perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffinthe505 View Post
    REEAALLY old news.

    Rumor is, Ray didn’t want to pay it back and was plenty pissed he had to.

    Might have been the the reason he went to Libit with the story as a source.
    I heard similar theories...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbarr View Post
    Some just want to constantly go down memory lane.
    actually nah, I didn't follow all that close over the summer and the article I read was just posted yesterday so...first I was hearing about it. I live 1800 miles away so I don't get the local news all that much..thanks for walking down the lane with me bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffinthe505 View Post
    REEAALLY old news.

    Rumor is, Ray didn’t want to pay it back and was plenty pissed he had to.

    Might have been the the reason he went to Libit with the story as a source.
    rumors are just that and can be very, very, very harmful. I suggest that without any real proof it's unfair to spread rumors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loboaddict View Post
    He's pissed off about having to pay back money that doesn't belong to him? And then went to Libit so that his employer gets dragged through the mud? Hmmm. I hope that's not true.
    Sorry to say, looks to be true.
    He is DEFINATELY a Libit “source”...or, at least, has been in the past.


    Quote Originally Posted by Doublealum View Post
    rumors are just that and can be very, very, very harmful. I suggest that without any real proof it's unfair to spread rumors.
    Would Libit conforming this (Ray as a source) be proof enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffinthe505 View Post
    Sorry to say, looks to be true.
    He is DEFINATELY a Libit “source”...or, at least, has been in the past.



    Would Libit conforming this (Ray as a source) be proof enough?
    What makes you sure Libit would ever "conform" (sic) this???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffinthe505 View Post
    Sorry to say, looks to be true.
    He is DEFINATELY a Libit “source”...or, at least, has been in the past.
    Not good, but I guess it would depend on if Birmingham voluntarily went to Libit with the information, or if Libit already knew about the overpayments and Birmingham was just answering Libit's questions. Either would make him a "source". If Birmingham is just answering questions truthfully that Libit is asking, no big deal really. If he took the information to Libit because he was disgruntled or whatever, I think that would be a big issue, imo. I like Birmingham, so I'll just assume he was above board until proven otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffinthe505 View Post
    Sorry to say, looks to be true.
    He is DEFINATELY a Libit “source”...or, at least, has been in the past.



    Would Libit conforming this (Ray as a source) be proof enough?

    Dont know - depends if Libit confirmed what he was a source for. Just saying he was a source often means he was spoken to - could be Birmingham said he was overpaid and paid it back, who knows? If you have evidence, please share.

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    I really like Birmingham; he's created an excellent baseball program out of nothing. Because of this, I really hope he's not trying to make the athletics department look bad.

    Of course, while he is a great coach and he has built an excellent program, it's still just baseball. If anything he's done as far as talking to reporters has been done out of malice, I have a hard time believing he'll be around for much longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIDIC View Post
    I really like Birmingham; he's created an excellent baseball program out of nothing. Because of this, I really hope he's not trying to make the athletics department look bad.

    Of course, while he is a great coach and he has built an excellent program, it's still just baseball. If anything he's done as far as talking to reporters has been done out of malice, I have a hard time believing he'll be around for much longer.

    Ridic, You have had many posts: very good posts. But lately attacking Lobo parents and now Lobo coaches, makes me wonder on your malice intent? I am not saying you are wrong, but you definitely seem to have a vendetta all of sudden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo View Post
    Ridic, You have had many posts: very good posts. But lately attacking Lobo parents and now Lobo coaches, makes me wonder on your malice intent? I am not saying you are wrong, but you definitely seem to have a vendetta all of sudden.
    This wasn't an attack on Birmingham at all. I was addressing Jeff's theory, and trying to offer perspective on it. I mean, I opened the post by saying how much I like Birmingham and how much I hope what Jeff is saying isn't true. I really don't think that there's anything I said in that post that should be seen as an "attack" on him.

    As far as Pops Drennan is concerned, I've expressed that I don't think it's appropriate for the parent of a player to constantly second guess the coaching staff. It's simply not a good look, IMO. Pops and I have discussed it further and squashed any perceived personal beef (I did go way overboard with some of my statements towards Pops, and I admitted that and apologized for it). I have respect for the guy, I just take issue with some of his attacks on a very successful football coach. But all that's behind me, anyway.

    Naw, no malice at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublealum View Post
    Dont know - depends if Libit confirmed what he was a source for. Just saying he was a source often means he was spoken to - could be Birmingham said he was overpaid and paid it back, who knows? If you have evidence, please share.
    Some things you simply can’t directly address on a public forum like this. I would not have suggested this had I not been very confident in my sources.

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