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    Game just looked like a big talent mismatch which is to be expected this season. Its painful to watch but when we have zero inside play we have no balance offensively.

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    Lobos took 20 more shots than CO and still lost by 18. Maybe the plan is quantity over quality.

    I wonder how the morale will be later this season with so many losses. Tonight Weir just matched his loss total from last season and it looks like there's many more to come. Coach doesn't have any experience like this to draw from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrey View Post
    Why can't you people just admit this is a very bad basketball team? There are no positives. This guy Weir is making Richie McKay look like John Wooden
    To be fair, you could make a free lunch look like a **** sandwich, so maybe that’s why most people tune you out.
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    I still think the schedule is too tough to expect good results at this point. Brand new coach with many new players, and average at best holdovers from a regime that was too lax. Unfortunately, this game had “loss” written all over it.




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    Jeff Hart and Nick Banyerd would be our go-to 1-2 punch :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWSLobo View Post
    I still think the schedule is too tough to expect good results at this point.
    Agree, but you would like to see discipline and execution, even if we eventually end up losing and that's what we're not seeing. Those traits will carry into next year. We don't want to build a program with bad traits in year 1 that you then have to weed out in year 2. Gotta fix that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrey View Post
    Why can't you people just admit this is a very bad basketball team? There are no positives. This guy Weir is making Richie McKay look like John Wooden
    Really?

    9 games with a new coach, a new scheme, mostly new players (who were recruited late in the season), have never played together until 3 months before the season started and you're making a McKay comparison while degrading our current coach in the process...that's really what you're bringing to this conversation???

    Hmmm....Ok. Sounds perfectly logical and well thought out.
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    The utep loss was the most concerning.. A bad team, winless against D1, coached by an assistant, kicked our asses into next week. So far Weir has not been impressive to say the least.

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    Our rebounding was actually not bad today. I was at the game and I don’t think CU killed us on the boards even tho the box score says they did. We shot 30% and they shot 50%. That give them so many more defensive boards than us. If we had made our free throws and made maybe 2 or 3 of our wide open three pointers we would have won for sure. I’m very encouraged after this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaVidaLobo View Post
    Yikes!

    Killed again on the glass.

    We have too many guys shooting bad shots. I'm all for the "green light" for guys that are open, but cmon you got to set your feet and not rush your shots. Way too many airballs tonight.

    On one hand we really didn't get out rebounded that terribly. They only had 9 ORB. You nailed the problem with the shooting. 50 missed FG attempts is going to make the rebounding look worse than it really is.
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    This team can’t shoot the ball and that’s why it loses.

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    What concerns me has NOTHING to do with wins and loses.. Talent has nothing to do with "direction" or some sort of game plan. Right now it looks like nothing but a free for all.. I can handle the losses and less talent however not a fan of the simple "chuck it up from everywhere" approach.. Not a fan of just roll it out and go play..

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    Yea, this is going to be a very rough season. 10 wins rough.

    Maybe save the doom and gloom for next season because there isn't much on that court to get excited about this season. If next year's team looks like this 9 games in then the sky will be falling.

    As a Lobo fan for over 40 years, it's just another one of those "transition" years until all the amazing recruits come in and save the day the next season. I want to say we've had about 30 "transition" years in the last 40 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoboLob0 View Post
    CU was 7 1/2pt picks tonight. Will NMSU open as a favorite at Wisepies?
    It's not Wisepies and yes, NMSU will open as favorites because they are a better team right now.

    This is going to be a tough year but anyone that thought differently wasn't paying attention to what this program has gone through. We all need to just take a step back and be patient. Yes, I hate losing but I think Weir knows what he wants and knows how to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffinthe505 View Post
    Really?

    9 games with a new coach, a new scheme, mostly new players (who were recruited late in the season), have never played together until 3 months before the season started and you're making a McKay comparison while degrading our current coach in the process...that's really what you're bringing to this conversation???

    Hmmm....Ok. Sounds perfectly logical and well thought out.
    Weir had to do what Menzies did last year at UNLV, find bodies to fill the roster. People judging Weir with what he had to work with is shortsighted and unfair. We are badly undersized and playing with juco guys trying to adjust to D1. On top of that, we have had a pretty tough schedule. I'm as concerned as anyone but I'm not going to panic because I realize what Weir had to work with when he got here so late in the game. My ass is still going to be in my seat for Saturday's game and beyond. I will watch as many games as I can and take my lumps with the team. I think next year will be vastly different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbarr View Post
    We are badly undersized and playing with juco guys trying to adjust to D1.
    To be fair, you've got some of the returning players having to adjust in D1 as well. Logwood hasn't been playing PF much prior this season, so it's kind of a crash course for him in terms of how to play that position in D1. Furstinger, as Weir has pointed out, hasn't had that much PT prior to this year and played a role where he wasn't expected to do much offensively. And Mathis was a guy that didn't even see the court the vast majority of the time.

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    Tough schedule? Tennessee Tech and avery bad utep team should be wins any season.

    It's going to be a tough season and that was the expectation from the beginning but there is no need to rationalize the performance so far. Right now this team is worse than expected.

    Come on Lobos, let's get this turned around. Team has more ability than what it has shown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoboLob0 View Post
    If Fursty has to play 32 minutes against anybody, Lobo Basketball is in trouble.
    So give us some options to sitting Furstinger. One would think that Weir has not thought of every lineup and it seems that he thinks Furstinger is his best option. Curious to hear your solution(s).

    I agree with you that Furstinger is not very good inside for the Lobos but I don't see a better option right now, unless Connor comes back and produces but he has yet to show that he is much better than Frustinger at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradpal View Post
    Team has more ability than what it has shown.
    That's certainly true of the perimeter shooting overall. Most of the guys shooting form looks good, it's just not going in.

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    The McKay comparison is this the dumbest **** I have ever read on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboDawg View Post
    The McKay comparison is this the dumbest **** I have ever read on this site.
    in close competition with every other post TheGrey has made on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitforever90 View Post
    To be fair, you've got some of the returning players having to adjust in D1 as well. Logwood hasn't been playing PF much prior this season, so it's kind of a crash course for him in terms of how to play that position in D1. Furstinger, as Weir has pointed out, hasn't had that much PT prior to this year and played a role where he wasn't expected to do much offensively. And Mathis was a guy that didn't even see the court the vast majority of the time.
    Yes, I agree.

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    I'm not questioning Weir or the style or anything, its much to early. But I do think its interesting that the only stat Weir doesn't look at is Wins/Losses.

    I think we can win with this style just don't know how many recruiting classes its going to take. Especially when the style requires a deep bench.

    Lady Lobos have it rolling pretty good, looks like a whole personality shift, so it can be done.
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    These guys have shown us how they can score, so it's all mental. Makauch should have been in there instead of Sam. Sam was obviously having a very bad game and was more of a liability. The balls have not been falling, it happens. Doesn't mean we have a bad team, they just have to be mentally in the game. And Joe, has no business shooting 3's. He needs to worry about setting good screens and rebounding!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMFANINOKC View Post
    What concerns me has NOTHING to do with wins and loses.
    That may be true, but what matters most is what the players think. What is the mental outlook of a player and team that is 5 - 4 (or 4 and 5) versus 3 and 6? A big part of the game is played between the ears. IMO, when the losses start piling up because you are playing too many games against good teams on the road (NMSU, TCU, MD and now CO), it does start to affect your mental state and performance.




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    I think long-term Weir will do well here and win a lot of games but I had to turn off the game last night (after getting my free 7 day Sling subscription). I just could not watch the last eight minutes or so. I admire Logwood and how hard he works and the effort he gives but I have never seen a player miss more one and two footers over a four year career. It is just uncanny how so many of his short shots roll out. Anyhow, not expecting much the balance of the year but will continue to root for the guys. Go Lobos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNM_ALUM View Post
    Yea, this is going to be a very rough season. 10 wins rough.

    Maybe save the doom and gloom for next season because there isn't much on that court to get excited about this season. If next year's team looks like this 9 games in then the sky will be falling.

    As a Lobo fan for over 40 years, it's just another one of those "transition" years until all the amazing recruits come in and save the day the next season. I want to say we've had about 30 "transition" years in the last 40 years.
    So we're down to 10 now? It seemed that a lot of us thought 14-18 wins early on in the season. I think this team will have to improve, even to get to 10 wins. I am not saying that's impossible, but Weir really has his work cut out for him. He is definitely in a quandary. Does he change almost everything since almost everything appears to be failing, or does he just double down on the initial plan and hope they finally break through?

    I was really hoping to see some improvement this season in disciplined basketball on the court. I didn't expect to overwhelm MW or P5 teams with our talent, but thought it was decent enough that we'd be more competitive. Looking at the upcoming schedule, Rice, Prairie View, SJSU, and Utah State look like the most interesting games left. Maybe AFA is also in that category, but I could see a disciplined AFA team making mincemeat out of these Lobos.

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    Really?

    9 games with a new coach, a new scheme, mostly new players (who were recruited late in the season), have never played together until 3 months before the season started and you're making a McKay comparison while degrading our current coach in the process...that's really what you're bringing to this conversation???

    Hmmm....Ok. Sounds perfectly logical and well thought out.

    Did not seem to bother UTEP and the first ever game coach.

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    This post nails it.

    Lobo fans should be appreciative of Joe’s effort, but
    he couldn’t get much playing time last year on a mediocre
    team with a mediocre center (Aget).

    This is going to take some time and additional recruits. I think the coach is doing great so far.
    The attitude of the players and the coach is indicative to me that this is not a “chemistry”or “coaching”
    problem like last year. Just a talent problem.

    The negative views being expressed by some fans in this are unwarranted at this time, and a
    little ridiculous...


 

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