Rome on BYU and UNM

[allometry]

Right now.

[jdmgsr]

don't have access. what's he saying?

[allometry]

don't have access. what's he saying?

To paraphrase, Rome said that the 18 point "beatdown" that The Lobos put on UNM had some to do with how we played, but had a lot to do with how BYU didn't play, because of the loss of Brandon Davis.

[Lobonick]

With Jimmer...Without Jimmer...With Davies...Without Davies...blah blah blah, yada yada yada, comeone Lobos take care of business so we can see these punks again in the Tourney! I want our boys to send these whiners out of the conference with their tail between their legs!

[mdanger007]

To paraphrase, Rome said that the 18 point "beatdown" that The Lobos put on UNM had some to do with how we played, but had a lot to do with how BYU didn't play, because of the loss of Brandon Davis.

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[lobo1969]

Does know Rome know we beat BYU three times WITH Davies?

[allometry]

Love the avatar allometry! Here's a tip: on simple shapes like that broom handle, use the pen tool to create a shape mask.

I'll have to give that a try!

[allometry]

Does know Rome know we beat BYU three times WITH Davies?

We're not going to get national love, because of our record.

Yeah, we all know that we're better than our record indicates, but the national media scene is all about RPI and Records. Heart and hustle are for the fans...

Last night was an upset to them, but to everyone who actually watches MWC ball, last night was UNM doin' what UNM does; KO BYU.

[nmfann]

His guest is pulling out the race card. Last three athletes dismissed from the team have been black.

[Howler]

From the sound of some of the articles and pundit commentary about last night's game there was no way the Lobos were ever going to get any real credit for last night's beatdown once Davies dismissal was announced.

We could have thoroughly thrashed and humbled them (we did), beat them inside and out (we did), took their lunch money (we did), and left them crying on the court (and in the stands) and still we wouldn't be given full credit for doing it.

Oh well, we all know better. And BYU - that's 4 IN A ROW! in case you'd forgotten. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

[lobodude]

With Jimmer...Without Jimmer...With Davies...Without Davies...blah blah blah, yada yada yada, comeone Lobos take care of business so we can see these punks again in the Tourney! I want our boys to send these whiners out of the conference with their tail between their legs!

Big part of sports, maybe the biggest part in terms of influencing the rest of your life, is overcoming adversity. They didn't have Davies, but we didn't have Eman and, as Alford pointed out, we don't have Hobson, who should be a senior for us. The tough teams learn to deal with that. If BYU was for real, they should have been able to overcome the loss of someone who was not Jimmer. That doesn't mean that they would have won last night if they were tough enough or if they had Davies, because the Lobos were lights out, but the Kitties showed some real weakness last night, considering how once the Lobos took that quick 13-2 lead, it was never ever close again, *at* BYU, a place where we once went decades without winning a game, and suddenly, it has become one of the friendliest road games on our schedule. (I don't think the lead ever got back into single digits, did it?)

[Digital Lobo]

If Brandon Davies had played last night BYU would only lost by 10 points. Gordon would have eaten his lunch on the defensive glass.

(Don't know if this is a redundant take. I haven't had much time to read the boards lately.)

BTW, the victory last night reminded me of some of those games last season where the Lobos jumped on TA&M and those other Aggies downs in Loss Cruces by big margins right out of the starting gate.

Awesome game last night PMac. I never lost faith in you because I've seen what you can do over the span of your playing days with the Lobos.

[James Staley]

UNM sure seems to have BYU's number. I don't know if it's a matchup on the floor, or if it's toughness or a combination of the two. Too bad for UNM that BYU will be leaving the conference.

Of course last night's game is going to be viewed as a BYU losing more than UNM winning from a national perspective. BYU, a top three team with what might be the national player of the year, lost a key player because of sex and might have lost a No. 1 seed. They are falling, and it's dramatic.

From a national perspective, UNM is an above average team with a below .500 conference record in a strong league. The Lobos got some breaks (Davies' ouster, BYU coming off an emotional win) and made the most of them, getting their best win of the season. Still, as far as the at-large NCAA Tournament talk is concerned, the Lobos are irrelevant. Nationally they don't matter.

The biggest part about this for UNM is that even though BYU was significantly weakened, the Lobos got a win that should build their confidence, perhaps enough to win the MWC tournament.

Personally I think the comparison of Davies' loss to that of Negedu is weak. Negedu didn't give UNM the performance Davies gave BYU. Plus, UNM lost Negedu early, so they had time to adjust. BYU did not.

And to say UNM should have had Hobson is even weaker.

[Digital Lobo]

Personally I think the comparison of Davies' loss to that of Negedu is weak. Negedu didn't give UNM the performance Davies gave BYU. Plus, UNM lost Negedu early, so they had time to adjust. BYU did not.

And to say UNM should have had Hobson is even weaker.

Okay then, how about that part about BYU getting torched by a freshman like Kendall Williams with significant minutes played by two other Lobo freshman Tony Snell and Alex Kirk?

[feez]

Personally I think the comparison of Davies' loss to that of Negedu is weak. Negedu didn't give UNM the performance Davies gave BYU. Plus, UNM lost Negedu early, so they had time to adjust. BYU did not.

And to say UNM should have had Hobson is even weaker.

I pretty much agree. But ESPN was pointing out that BYU is without C Collinsworth too. He has been out for months. So its swings and roundabouts.

[pitboss]

UNM sure seems to have BYU's number. I don't know if it's a matchup on the floor, or if it's toughness or a combination of the two. Too bad for UNM that BYU will be leaving the conference.

Of course last night's game is going to be viewed as a BYU losing more than UNM winning from a national perspective. BYU, a top three team with what might be the national player of the year, lost a key player because of sex and might have lost a No. 1 seed. They are falling, and it's dramatic.

From a national perspective, UNM is an above average team with a below .500 conference record in a strong league. The Lobos got some breaks (Davies' ouster, BYU coming off an emotional win) and made the most of them, getting their best win of the season. Still, as far as the at-large NCAA Tournament talk is concerned, the Lobos are irrelevant. Nationally they don't matter.

The biggest part about this for UNM is that even though BYU was significantly weakened, the Lobos got a win that should build their confidence, perhaps enough to win the MWC tournament.

Personally I think the comparison of Davies' loss to that of Negedu is weak. Negedu didn't give UNM the performance Davies gave BYU. Plus, UNM lost Negedu early, so they had time to adjust. BYU did not.

And to say UNM should have had Hobson is even weaker.

The Hobson and Negadu points/arguements may be weak, but not as weak as the Ref bashing going on, on the BYU message boards right now!

Cheers,
Pitboss

[lobodude]

Personally I think the comparison of Davies' loss to that of Negedu is weak. Negedu didn't give UNM the performance Davies gave BYU. Plus, UNM lost Negedu early, so they had time to adjust. BYU did not.

And to say UNM should have had Hobson is even weaker.

Disagree a bit. When you are a top 10 team, you should be able to adjust, quickly. Top 10 teams should be able to lose starters *during* the game and still play well, especially at home before a sellout crowd of more than 22,000 people. BYU did not. Lobos were lights out, but I don't think BYU could have been any weaker last night if it had been Jimmer they lost, rather than Davies. BYU may rebound in the next game, but last night exposed an extreme lack of toughness. .... The references to Eman, and especially Alford's reference to Hobson, were a bit of subtle taunting, I think. Alford, as you know, has a touch of a nasty streak in him.

[Remus Lupin]

Who cares what the pundits are saying. We won and likely would have won even if Davies would have played. And, for the record, I can't stand Jim Rome.

[LoboLaw]

Who cares what the pundits are saying. We won and likely would have won even if Davies would have played. And, for the record, I can't stand Jim Rome.

Rome owns.

That being said, I agree with you. If we had beat them in a nip & tuck game then maybe the "BUT DAVIES WAS OUT" argument has some validity...Maybe. But the fact is that we went into their building and straight fu(c)&ing pounded them. POUNDED them. Sorry, but if Davies was the kind of guy who was the difference between winning at home and getting worked by double digits then why hasn't anyone been talking about him? Oh, right, because he's not that guy at all. Kid's a solid player for sure, and he obviously gives BYU more dimension down low, but that beatdown last night wasn't due to just one player.

[allometry]

Rome owns.

That being said, I agree with you. If we had beat them in a nip & tuck game then maybe the "BUT DAVIES WAS OUT" argument has some validity...Maybe. But the fact is that we went into their building and straight fu(c)&ing pounded them. POUNDED them. Sorry, but if Davies was the kind of guy who was the difference between winning at home and getting worked by double digits then why hasn't anyone been talking about him? Oh, right, because he's not that guy at all. Kid's a solid player for sure, and he obviously gives BYU more dimension down low, but that beatdown last night wasn't due to just one player.

I like this side of you, all fired up ready to get after it. ****-s yeah, we beat the crap out of them!

[wallyhopp]

I mentioned in another thread. Is Davies the on court shooting coach? Without him guys miss shots. If so, his departure is REALLY REALLY a big blow

[Loco Lobo 05]

From a national perspective, UNM is an above average team with a below .500 conference record in a strong league. The Lobos got some breaks (Davies' ouster, BYU coming off an emotional win) and made the most of them, getting their best win of the season. Still, as far as the at-large NCAA Tournament talk is concerned, the Lobos are irrelevant. Nationally they don't matter.

They have beaten the #3 team in the country twice. They will be competitive in the tournament they are chosen for, whether its the NCAA or NIT. They DO matter.

[James Staley]

UNM might have been able to beat BYU if this never happened with Davies. The Lobos have proven they can beat the Cougars. That said, the absence of Davies is more than just his points and rebounds. There's an emotional aspect of it that only those close to the team know. It was clear from watching the game that BYU's players weren't there. This is not an excuse, but it's clear that this wasn't the usual BYU that UNM pounded.

[feez]

There's an emotional aspect of it that only those close to the team know. It was clear from watching the game that BYU's players weren't there. This is not an excuse, but it's clear that this wasn't the usual BYU that UNM pounded.

True, but thats because they are the softest bunch of basketball players anywhere. Man up and play up. Boo hoo.

We beat BYU by 31 points combined this year I think. That says that we own them, personnel (or personal) issues aside.

[allometry]

UNM might have been able to beat BYU if this never happened with Davies. The Lobos have proven they can beat the Cougars. That said, the absence of Davies is more than just his points and rebounds. There's an emotional aspect of it that only those close to the team know. It was clear from watching the game that BYU's players weren't there. This is not an excuse, but it's clear that this wasn't the usual BYU that UNM pounded.

With BYU, it's always something. Jimmer's sick, Tavenari is being a Tavenari or Davies boinking his GF. What we saw last night was UNM making it rain inside. The opening 4 minutes of that game, Davies would have been a non-factor. BYU was contesting those shots, but they were just going in. Lobos had their number, again.

I'm OK saying that maybe the point differential wouldn't have been as high with Davies playing, since the inside-out game of BYU would have been stronger, but as far as defense goes, we had that down too. Gordon and AJ played the paint strong last night. Gordon got an inflated double-double, but he's consistent enough to earn that against a good team like BYU. Davies would have battled Gordon and maybe we would have had to sub in Cam or AK into Gordon's 5 spot.

[LoboLaw]

UNM might have been able to beat BYU if this never happened with Davies. The Lobos have proven they can beat the Cougars. That said, the absence of Davies is more than just his points and rebounds. There's an emotional aspect of it that only those close to the team know. It was clear from watching the game that BYU's players weren't there. This is not an excuse, but it's clear that this wasn't the usual BYU that UNM pounded.

WAH WAH WAH

UNM owns consecutive sweeps. Sorry, but if BYU is too fragile to deal with the loss of one player then they can take what's coming to them.

[James Staley]

They have beaten the #3 team in the country twice. They will be competitive in the tournament they are chosen for, whether its the NCAA or NIT. They DO matter.

As good as the sweep is for UNM, the Cougars are on the way down. They have the look of a team that will lose in the second round after getting a high seed. And UNM won't be chosen for the NCAA Tournament. If they get in it will be because they won the MWC tourney, the automatic bid. And, I'm sorry, but the teams in the NIT aren't relevant.

[LoboLaw]

As good as the sweep is for UNM, the Cougars are on the way down. They have the look of a team that will lose in the second round after getting a high seed. And UNM won't be chosen for the NCAA Tournament. If they get in it will be because they won the MWC tourney, the automatic bid. And, I'm sorry, but the teams in the NIT aren't relevant.

Fine and dandy, but I don't think that most of us around here would quibble with that cheap shot.

CHEAP SHOT, being the key phrase here given that you style yourself as a journalist. I've respected you in the past, but I'm pretty sure I know now why you opted for anonymous internet posting rather than...well...your mother's basement?

[MacLobo]

As good as the sweep is for UNM, the Cougars are on the way down. They have the look of a team that will lose in the second round after getting a high seed. And UNM won't be chosen for the NCAA Tournament. If they get in it will be because they won the MWC tourney, the automatic bid. And, I'm sorry, but the teams in the NIT aren't relevant.

Staley, your points are 100% correct! This board is full of intelligent fans who understand where the teams national success this year stands. We don't really need a lecture on the matter. Like I said, your points contain validity, but your tact reeks like the sac of a 300lb man after his first 5K!
Thanks, but no thanks!

[feez]

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