Boise Deadline

[Mark]

Rumor coming from the east is Boise St has till Friday to figure out if it wants to stay united with the MWC or if it will take its program east and west. MWC imposed the deadline.

[Pause The Noose]

way to go MWC!

[ThreadKiller]

I like it. With the Big 12 looking to expand and how that could decimate the BE I think its good to tell Boise to make a decision now. They would be taking a big risk letting the deadline pass and being stuck in a conference that could lose Louisville, Uconn, and Rutgers in the near future. Not to mention still not having a home for the basketball team.

[Kenny]

Good. Where'd you hear this? In glad the MW decided. It sucks waiting.

[Ltlf]

BSU in the MWC would be a TV contract benefit. BSU dilly dallying means NO TV contract can be negotiated.

[SpanaBaller]

I have a feeling Boise will buy their way into the BigWest. Hope I am wrong.

[FlyingLobo]

I thought I read somewhere that Boise hasn't given official notice that they intend to withdraw from the conference. The MWC can't threaten to not let the Broncos come back if they haven't said they are going to leave in the first place. Unless there's been a vote to expel Boise if they don't commit by Friday, I don't know what leverage the MWC has to force a decision from the Broncos.

[eazy06]

Good move! Skip on the deadline and find urself in the sunbelt.

[AceAndTwo]

I think they should wait until the end of June, because the Big 12 commissioner will take over on June 15 and he has an expansion team ready to go. If I was the MWC, then I would hold back a little and let the chips fall in June. Even if BSU gets accepted to the Big West, I think the Big East will be scrambling for straws falling in a well. SDSU will be crying for UNLV and Fresno St, but then the basketball teams will step in and put a stop to that.

[SpanaBaller]

I thought I read somewhere that Boise hasn't given official notice that they intend to withdraw from the conference. The MWC can't threaten to not let the Broncos come back if they haven't said they are going to leave in the first place. Unless there's been a vote to expel Boise if they don't commit by Friday, I don't know what leverage the MWC has to force a decision from the Broncos.

They "could" hypothetically invite UTEP to bring the MWC to 11 teams. And then play Russian roulette with BOTH SDSU/Boise for that final 12th spot. See who blinks first. Tell them both only one spot is available and the team who waits last might be SOL

Ain't holding my breathe though

[Mark]

I don't know the inner workings or the how's, and whys. All I know is what I'm told.

[eazy06]

My gut tells me and has been telling me they where never going. I believe fisher has known this all along and he was able to gain WS trust with that. We'll see though.

[MacLobo]

If true, it's about time that Hair grew some ballz!!!! Not sure if that gives the Big West time to approve them, so it might force Boise to stay. However, forcing them stay might not be the best thing in the long run. Maybe it will though.....I see the Big East losing all relevance without Boise St.(how weird is it to say that phrase) and would REaLLY help in any TV negotiations the MWC enters into.

[ThreadKiller]

I think they should wait until the end of June, because the Big 12 commissioner will take over on June 15 and he has an expansion team ready to go. If I was the MWC, then I would hold back a little and let the chips fall in June. Even if BSU gets accepted to the Big West, I think the Big East will be scrambling for straws falling in a well. SDSU will be crying for UNLV and Fresno St, but then the basketball teams will step in and put a stop to that.

I respectfully disagree. You want to put pressure on Boise to make a decision now with all the uncertainty with their bball program as well as the expansion rumors. Otherwise they will drag this thing out knowing the MWC will be there as their backup plan. Right now there is no guarantee the Big West takes them in hoops and all the rumors point to the Big East getting poached again. The safe move is to stay put and I like the MWC being proactive on this one. If this rumor is true I am sure the MWC has asked them to sign a waiver of sorts declaring their intention to stay in the conference by the end of the week.

[jdw]

You have to believe that Thompson wouldn't have dropped the card on the table if he didn't have the votes to back it up. Did I just really use the word "have" three times in one sentence rationally?

[adobeman]

why, yes you have...

[LynAskin]

I dont think it is so much a deadline to leave/stay, but i do think it's some sort of date based notice they must give. If you leave a conference, you have to give notice by a certain date, or you have to wait till the following year to leave or maybe face larger exit fees. The Big East ALSO has a date that Boise must give notice by or they are subject to greater entrance/exit fees of some sort. I'm not sure which date is most pressing, but this isn't a new development i dont think

EDIT: OK, I may be reading this incorrectly, based on your info Mark, there may be an additional deadline imposed by the MWC.

Here is the other official deadline info:
So, as it stands today, Boise St. is joining the Big East in 2013. But, they don't have to notify the MWC of their official departure until June 30th, 2013, leaving the door open for a potential change of heart. At this point, if Boise would decide not to join the Big East, they would still owe the conference $5 million in exit fees. Any departure after that June 30th date would cost them an extra $5 million.

However, they also have signed a contract with the Big East that would require them to pay $5 million to the conference should Boise State back out before July 1, 2013. But if they wait until after then to pull out then the exit fee doubles to $10 million.

[LetTheFurFly]

Even without a link, it makes sense. Sounds like the TV deal is close to it's last negotiations and they need to see if BSU is on board. The reduced timeline makes sense in that regard and not in actual contract notification rules.

[Denali]

I also think this might have ssomething to do with the AQ talks going on with the BCS this week. The timing seems dead on and the key questions they were concerned with was the state of the conference and the membership it entailed. They might need some sort of answer from Boise to help get that AQ. Even if its just for 2 more years.

[Wolfen1]

I may have missed something here, but I think the 10 million dollar penalty( if notice of exit is not given by deadline, or the greater of year end distribution) is the exit fee that would be due to the MWC, NOT the BE

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/201..._be_21_million

So if not completing the relationship with the BE ( 5 million penalty ) or not give the MWC due notice (est. 14 million ) the difference that BSU is looking at is effectually 1 million, that they would owe the BE for not joining their conference.

[SoCalLobo]

BSU has a problem on both sides. Not only doesn't the Big West really want them (they already voted no once), they are less enticing to the Big East without the BCS AQ qualifier in play. The one and only reason the Big East (or the MWC when it added them for that matter) wanted them is because of their recent football history. With that rendered less significant, the value of BSU diminishes. If (really, "when") their football program becomes average, they are an albatross to teams from the Big East.

[Louiefan]

BSU has a problem on both sides. Not only doesn't the Big West really want them (they already voted no once), they are less enticing to the Big East without the BCS AQ qualifier in play. The one and only reason the Big East (or the MWC when it added them for that matter) wanted them is because of their recent football history. With that rendered less significant, the value of BSU diminishes. If (really, "when") their football program becomes average, they are an albatross to teams from the Big East.

As a matter of fact, the marginally good teams in the Big East would be better off without Boise in the conference. If the AQ numbers are not necessary then they all increase their odds of winning the conference championship without BSU in the way.

[Oregon Lobo]

At this point, TV deals are driving EVERYTHING!!! The BCS AQ is a non-issue. If the last remaining big name schools (Louisville, etc.) bolt the Big East, there is really no point in BSU going there. A Big East football conference void of any big name programs isn't going to draw a lucrative TV deal.

[VenturaLobo]

I dont think it is so much a deadline to leave/stay, but i do think it's some sort of date based notice they must give. If you leave a conference, you have to give notice by a certain date, or you have to wait till the following year to leave or maybe face larger exit fees. The Big East ALSO has a date that Boise must give notice by or they are subject to greater entrance/exit fees of some sort. I'm not sure which date is most pressing, but this isn't a new development i dont think

EDIT: OK, I may be reading this incorrectly, based on your info Mark, there may be an additional deadline imposed by the MWC.

Here is the other official deadline info:
So, as it stands today, Boise St. is joining the Big East in 2013. But, they don't have to notify the MWC of their official departure until June 30th, 2013, leaving the door open for a potential change of heart. At this point, if Boise would decide not to join the Big East, they would still owe the conference $5 million in exit fees. Any departure after that June 30th date would cost them an extra $5 million.

However, they also have signed a contract with the Big East that would require them to pay $5 million to the conference should Boise State back out before July 1, 2013. But if they wait until after then to pull out then the exit fee doubles to $10 million.

Is that really 2013? "But, they don't have to notify the MWC of their official departure until June 30th, 2013..."
Boise St. wouldn't have to notify official departure until the day before they are officially somewhere else? Even my old landlord wouldn't let me get away with that crap, how could an institution as big as the MWC?

[GiJoeRay]

Is that really 2013? "But, they don't have to notify the MWC of their official departure until June 30th, 2013..."
Boise St. wouldn't have to notify official departure until the day before they are officially somewhere else? Even my old landlord wouldn't let me get away with that crap, how could an institution as big as the MWC?

I think that was a typo, I am pretty sure BSU would have to give notice > 1 year. Hence June 30, 2012 would be acceptable if they wish to leave by July 1, 2013 and get the AQ $ for only 1 season. TCU informed the MWC aropund this time last year, and next season they are gone. BSU is stammering due to the uncertanty of the future makeup of the BigEast. The BE is in a terrible negotiating poition when all their best draws are known to be leaving, that will dramtically bring down the $ amount that will be offered. The basketball schools really screwed the pooch by turning down the 1 billion dollar deal that was kicked out to them last fall.

[Bullchuter]

Regarding whether they choose to stay or go is irrelevent to me. I'm more concerned with our TV coverage. Hopefully we can get the ROOT TV to take over where the MTN channel broke off! Our time will be forthcoming in the next few years....Hang in there folks..it will happen! Just go out and support the football team!

[LetTheFurFly]

I may have missed something here, but I think the 10 million dollar penalty( if notice of exit is not given by deadline, or the greater of year end distribution) is the exit fee that would be due to the MWC, NOT the BE

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/201..._be_21_million

So if not completing the relationship with the BE ( 5 million penalty ) or not give the MWC due notice (est. 14 million ) the difference that BSU is looking at is effectually 1 million, that they would owe the BE for not joining their conference.

That is an article from Oct. 2011 detailing the loss of revenue issues if they make a BCS game (and they didn't, obviously).

If Boise leaves the contract with the Big East before July 1st...they owe 5 million.

If they give notice to the MWC before July 1st that they're leaving, they'll only lose their revenue share for the year...(1.5 roughly + any bowl payout).

If Boise waits till AFTER July 1st to notify the Big East, they owe 10 million and have to wait 27 months (though West Virginia proved that you can negotiate that down).

If Boise waits till AFTER July 1st to notify the MWC, they lose revenue and have to pay at least five million.

They're in every kind of "rock and a hard place" right now.

[Hoser]

Rumor coming from the east is Boise St has till Friday to figure out if it wants to stay united with the MWC or if it will take its program east and west. MWC imposed the deadline.

So if they don't give an answer does the MWC kick them out and if they do, is Boize still on the hook for exit fees? I don't see how they can be charged a fee if they are kicked out. Maybe there is something in the agreements that would have them paying whether they leave on their own or are shown the door.

[LynAskin]

Yeah, i'm guessing that is a typo too. i took it directly from an article somewhere. . . . :-)

[toddl18]

There are out clauses in the contract, either way its good to have an answer soon even if its not a good answer you wanted to hear. Boise St. And SDSU benefit more by waiting then the MWC does.