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    Lobos vs. KU

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    Now that today's game is over let's start talking about KU. I feel the week off to prepare is going to do the Lobos a world of good. I just hope they don't come out flat in a hostile environment. I do feel that playing in Kansas City is a plus though considering that Fog Allen would be a 100x's more hostile. Also, Kansas has a very tough stretch of games. Lost today to CU on the road, turn around and play @ Florida in 3 days and then go to Kansas City for a "neutral" site game against a rested Lobos in 4 days. That's a hell of a 7 day stretch. If Florida beats KU I think they'll be fired up to get back in the win column against the Lobos but I'm not sure how well they'll respond being that they'll have no rest. Lobos definitely need to keep pounding it inside and test the KU bigs. If our inside out game is clicking and we play D like we did today I feel we win. Definitely like the shortened rotation Coach is implementing. Need Cullen, DD and Nick to keep giving quality minutes on both ends of the floor.
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    I'm not sure what to make of KU. They beat Duke and their heralded freshman, Jabari Parker in impressive fashion. And then they have lost to very tough 'Nova and Colorado teams. They also won a bit of a squeaker against a UTEP team which was swept by the Aggies.

    This will be a tough match up for the Lobos in what is jokingly being referred to as a "neutral court".

    My niece is a graduate from Kansas and her and my sister and her husband bleed rock, chalk, Jayhawk and man, would I ever love to see them have to bow down to the wolf if the Lobos can pull this game out which I definitely think is possible.

    I still remember when UNM and KU were both recruiting Phillip McDonald and the trash that their arrogant fans had to say about the Lobos. Hence I really want this one bad.

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    Looking forward to the Kansas scouting report this week. Some media folks think this may the best team in the country, so it's a great chance to see how we stack up. I told my family that if we beat Kansas we end this stretch 5-0. Don't see how it happens any other way. My only concern is that if they lose to Florida and then we beat them that it'll be three losses in a row, they'll drop far in the polls and the result loses some of its luster. But I'll take the win and the ramifications however they come. It would still be a quality win come March, no matter where they're ranked!

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    Kendall needs to step it up. Kansas will gameplan against Cam and Alex, Kendall can't disappear. I said before that this stretch of games will determine KW's NBA hopes. Yesterday didn't help his cause. Kansas will be on a much larger scale. Hopefully he shows up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiJoeRay View Post
    Kendall needs to step it up. Kansas will gameplan against Cam and Alex, Kendall can't disappear. I said before that this stretch of games will determine KW's NBA hopes. Yesterday didn't help his cause. Kansas will be on a much larger scale. Hopefully he shows up.
    I don't totally disagree with you, but I believe that NBA scouts are more sophisticated than the average fan when evaluating talent. Hence, defense, tempo control and other factors will be part of the KW profile. You can bet that former Toronto scout, Craig Neal will be pointing those things out. Hell, if Bennett can go #1 . . . .
    Get real. Donate those skinny pants to Goodwill.

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    Kendall had a great defensive game, those in the NBA I am sure are aware of that as well.

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    As long as he remains consistent this season the scouts will be intrigued. I say that but working your butt off for the combine does you wonders as well ask Tony Snel as his stock rose. Then again Bennett was hurt the entire time before the draft and goes #1 based on his athleticism and scoring range in college, but now he's not athletic enough for the Association and also out of shape. It's like people thinking Bhullar is getting drafted. Umm no he might get picked up as an experiment but he's not a basketball player with his weight in today's fast paced league. All I'm saying is everything is so unpredictable so any chance you can get to make a good impression is key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThickLobo View Post
    I don't totally disagree with you, but I believe that NBA scouts are more sophisticated than the average fan when evaluating talent. Hence, defense, tempo control and other factors will be part of the KW profile. You can bet that former Toronto scout, Craig Neal will be pointing those things out. Hell, if Bennett can go #1 . . . .
    The NBA more than any other league drafts based on upside. Bennett is pure upside. Kendall is a senior, seniors don't have much upside due to age. Look at the recent history of great college seniors and their NBA careers. JJ Redick, Jimmer, Nolan Smith, Hansboro all great college players and haven't done much in the Association. Damion Lillard not included as his career is still fresh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiJoeRay View Post
    The NBA more than any other league drafts based on upside. Bennett is pure upside. Kendall is a senior, seniors don't have much upside due to age. Look at the recent history of great college seniors and their NBA careers. JJ Redick, Jimmer, Nolan Smith, Hansboro all great college players and haven't done much in the Association. Damion Lillard not included as his career is still fresh.
    My boy Lillard as I'm a Blazer fan is incredible. Last night he hit a sweet 3 point tying shot and had 32 points on the night before the Mavs won on a last second shot. Damian was only a redshirt Junior though. Essentially a senior though in terms of age haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiJoeRay View Post
    The NBA more than any other league drafts based on upside. Bennett is pure upside. Kendall is a senior, seniors don't have much upside due to age. Look at the recent history of great college seniors and their NBA careers. JJ Redick, Jimmer, Nolan Smith, Hansboro all great college players and haven't done much in the Association. Damion Lillard not included as his career is still fresh.
    So you have no more upside at 22 compared to 21? The reason there are so few seniors drafted is because anyone that could get drafted at a younger age bolts immediately. Williams will do fine as long as he impresses at the combine, which he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreLawLobo View Post
    So you have no more upside at 22 compared to 21? The reason there are so few seniors drafted is because anyone that could get drafted at a younger age bolts immediately. Williams will do fine as long as he impresses at the combine, which he will.
    In the scouts eyes yes. I read the GMs actually prefer the 21-22 year olds who their is less risk with they know what they are getting as opposed to playing the lottery with the younger players. I personally don't understand it myself that well

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreLawLobo View Post
    So you have no more upside at 22 compared to 21? The reason there are so few seniors drafted is because anyone that could get drafted at a younger age bolts immediately. Williams will do fine as long as he impresses at the combine, which he will.
    That kind of goes to point with KW not being an NBA player. Last year was a weak draft and he didn't go... Consistency is the key, although the 46 pointer was nice, 5 of the next 8 games were sub 10. The age matters because of the wear on the body, and the ability to recover quickly from the beating it will take during the NBA season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiJoeRay View Post
    Kendall needs to step it up. Kansas will gameplan against Cam and Alex, Kendall can't disappear. I said before that this stretch of games will determine KW's NBA hopes. Yesterday didn't help his cause. Kansas will be on a much larger scale. Hopefully he shows up.
    How does being one of the main press-breaking ball handlers and locking down their best guy not help?
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    Defense was great. But I'm talking about his future. He needs to be a consistent scorer. Especially against KU, Marquette and the conference's upper tier teams. From Cincy to Marquette on the schedule is his chance to prove on a national stage that he deserves to be considered a first rounder. Two weeks to really make a name for himself outside of the MWC.

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    To bring the thread back around. I think KU will give the Lobos more trouble in the interior than anyone they have faced thus far. Wiggins gets a ton of attention but Perry Ellis is a nice interior player. This will obviously be tough but will make it so much sweeter if the lobos win!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickgallegos View Post
    As long as he remains consistent this season the scouts will be intrigued. I say that but working your butt off for the combine does you wonders as well ask Tony Snel as his stock rose. Then again Bennett was hurt the entire time before the draft and goes #1 based on his athleticism and scoring range in college, but now he's not athletic enough for the Association and also out of shape. It's like people thinking Bhullar is getting drafted. Umm no he might get picked up as an experiment but he's not a basketball player with his weight in today's fast paced league. All I'm saying is everything is so unpredictable so any chance you can get to make a good impression is key.
    I'll bet you a beverage Nick. I was right on Snell when everyone else was doubting him, and I'll be right on Bhullar. I'm not saying he's going to be great or anything. I'm just saying that at 7-5 someone's going to take a chance. Keep in mind that he'll probably be viewed only as a situational player, ie- for a last second shot he wouldn't be a bad person to put in on defense. Also he's only a sophomore, so he will get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNMerciful_1 View Post
    I'll bet you a beverage Nick. I was right on Snell when everyone else was doubting him, and I'll be right on Bhullar. I'm not saying he's going to be great or anything. I'm just saying that at 7-5 someone's going to take a chance. Keep in mind that he'll probably be viewed only as a situational player, ie- for a last second shot he wouldn't be a bad person to put in on defense. Also he's only a sophomore, so he will get better. Thanks a lot Nick. You made me defend an aggie now I feel dirty. I'm out. I need a shower.
    I dont know I can see the upside but as I watched Bhullar this past week he seemed too out of shape to make an impact. That certainly can change but while he's at state will it? Okay okay what's the bet that he will get drafted or that he will get picked up to be on some bodies summer league team. I bet he won't make the impact needed on summer league to make a 15 man roster for an NBA team

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickgallegos View Post
    I dont know I can see the upside but as I watched Bhullar this past week he seemed too out of shape to make an impact. That certainly can change but while he's at state will it? Okay okay what's the bet that he will get drafted or that he will get picked up to be on some bodies summer league team. I bet he won't make the impact needed on summer league to make a 15 man roster for an NBA team
    The bet is he will be drafted. Now there's a high probability that he will be a bust, but a lot of 2nd round picks never pan out. So I'm not saying that he'll make any impact at all, just that some team will take the chance.
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    Okay deal and to be fair more than half the first rounders are a bust too

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiJoeRay View Post
    That kind of goes to point with KW not being an NBA player. Last year was a weak draft and he didn't go... Consistency is the key, although the 46 pointer was nice, 5 of the next 8 games were sub 10. The age matters because of the wear on the body, and the ability to recover quickly from the beating it will take during the NBA season.
    KW will be the same age as Snell was when he was drafted, so I don't think age will be much of a factor. I also don't buy your consistency argument. He led the league in assists. Points aren't the end all be all that some fans like to pretend they are. Kw's overall game was very consistent. I think the thing that will hurt him more than his age will be the strength of this draft class. In a normal year I think he's a late 1st, but he's probably a middle 2nd in this upcoming draft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNMerciful_1 View Post
    I'll bet you a beverage Nick. I was right on Snell when everyone else was doubting him, and I'll be right on Bhullar. I'm not saying he's going to be great or anything. I'm just saying that at 7-5 someone's going to take a chance. Keep in mind that he'll probably be viewed only as a situational player, ie- for a last second shot he wouldn't be a bad person to put in on defense. Also he's only a sophomore, so he will get better.

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    If Bhuhllar can continue to improve as he did from his freshman year , I would think that his upside is still to be reached. He definitely will receive some NBA attention. At 7'5", that's not very common at all, He may never be a stud in the NBA but he might be a very contributing player if he is able to get in better shape and improve on his shot making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNMerciful_1 View Post
    The bet is he will be drafted. Now there's a high probability that he will be a bust, but a lot of 2nd round picks never pan out. So I'm not saying that he'll make any impact at all, just that some team will take the chance.
    I DEFINITELY want some of this action. Your arguments on Kendall are intriguing, but Bhullar? I'll give you 2 to 1 that Bhullar does not get drafted for the NBA. He is simply waaaay too slow and ineffective inside, he would get eaten alive. I have been watching several State games this year, and in no game has he even shown the potential to dominate (and at 7'5, if he is not dominating weaker teams in college, then I don't see how he makes a dent in the league).

    Then again... I could be wrong, but I'd put some donuts on it.
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    Snell wasn't particularly consistent offensively in college either. What he was was a hard worker, teachable, and hard-nosed defensively. Kendall just needs to do what he is doing.

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    This game vs. Kansas is going to be so fun to watch. I can't wait to see who will Guard Andrew Wiggens, and I am excited to see the match up between Alex, and Cam vs. Perry Ellis, Joel Embiid. Their bigs are skilled but ours are too with a lot more strength. They recently bumped a Freshman to Starting PG so that tells me they are struggling to find true leadership.

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    Honestly, KU looks a lot more vulnerable than I thought they would. I recorded the Buff/Jayhawk game and watched it last night. CU has a nice team this year, but KU beat themselves a lot with flat out lazy defense. If we get the KU team that played against Colorado, I think we have a legit chance. Maybe not a great chance, but a chance. The difficulty, is that this will essentially be a road "neutral game," not the home game that CU had the luxury of playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PTR View Post
    Honestly, KU looks a lot more vulnerable than I thought they would. I recorded the Buff/Jayhawk game and watched it last night. CU has a nice team this year, but KU beat themselves a lot with flat out lazy defense. If we get the KU team that played against Colorado, I think we have a legit chance. The difficulty, is that this will essentially be a road "neutral game," not the home game that CU had the luxury of playing.
    Will try our best to make it as neutral as possible. We are in a first row of upper deck so I'm hoping to hang our Lobo and state flag off of a rail if possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickgallegos View Post
    Will try our best to make it as neutral as possible. We are in a first row of upper deck so I'm hoping to hang our Lobo and state flag off of a rail if possible
    Bring the noise!

    If UNM pulls this out, you can make the argument that you were at the biggest non-Pit win in Lobo basketball history. That's awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PTR View Post
    Bring the noise! If UNM pulls this out, you can make the argument that you were at the biggest non-Pit win in Lobo basketball history. That's awesome.
    That's the plan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiJoeRay View Post
    Kendall needs to step it up. Kansas will gameplan against Cam and Alex, Kendall can't disappear. I said before that this stretch of games will determine KW's NBA hopes. Yesterday didn't help his cause. Kansas will be on a much larger scale. Hopefully he shows up.
    What do you mean yesterday didn't help his cause? Unlike most fans, scouts look at more than just points scored. KW certainly helped himself in scouts' eyes yesterday.

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