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    Do the transfers surprise me? Nope... Regardless of who the coach is, this is the new norm of college bball.

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    I'd be kind of shocked to see Joe. F. leave being that he'll be a senior and probably start at the 4 most games with MacDougall at the 5. I hope those rumors are false and he sticks around. I think he'd be around a double/double if he's given 30+ minutes a game, as well as C-Mac.

    It's a bummer to see Mathis leave, I think he would've really produced and had an opportunity with EB leaving. I can't say I blame him though.

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    Just remember there were 700 transfers last season... 351 D1 schools.

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    Unless Joe is graduating thisw Spring it kind of doesnt make sense as he would have to sit a yr as a redshirt Sr! Ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboLen View Post
    Just remember there were 700 transfers last season... 351 D1 schools.

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    dont like it but that is the state of today's college b-ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublealum View Post
    dont like it but that is the state of today's college b-ball.
    Its got its pros and cons but i think we have benefitted greatly in our recent history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboMike View Post
    The exits are coming hot and heavy now.

    The UNM admin still has its head in the sand.
    UNM may have its head in the sand but in no way are the exits coming hot and heavy. Everyone expected EB and Mathis to leave this year. If any players recruited last year leave then you may have a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmlongbow View Post
    UNM may have its head in the sand but in no way are the exits coming hot and heavy. Everyone expected EB and Mathis to leave this year. If any players recruited last year then you may have a point.
    I wouldn't be that sure. There's smoke that says otherwise.

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    Good luck to AM. Sure thought he deserved more of a shot here. Sweet 3 point stroke.

    Still baffles me we didn't get to see it more


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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboLen View Post
    Its got its pros and cons but i think we have benefitted greatly in our recent history.

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    i understand it and reconize that coaches are much more free to move around. I just think it's symptomatic of an overall malaise in college sports - basketball & football brought about by an over commercialization & a lack of emphasis on the educational component. I'm not saying we haven't benefited in terms of getting some very good transfers. I'm just venting (and tilting at windmills) against today's version of big time college athletics - certainly not singling out or blaming any particular players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublealum View Post
    i understand it and reconize that coaches are much more free to move around. I just think it's symptomatic of an overall malaise in college sports - basketball & football brought about by an over commercialization & a lack of emphasis on the educational component. I'm not saying we haven't benefited in terms of getting some very good transfers. I'm just venting (and tilting at windmills) against today's version of big time college athletics - certainly not singling out or blaming any particular players.
    I hear ya man... College atheletics are getting very impersonal and money/ego driven. I think passionate fans tend to be the biggest losers as loyalty from both coaches and players has gone out the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboMike View Post
    Broken link.

    Only Brown and Mathis confirmed so far. Though would not be surprised to see Joe going also.
    It's a link to some dude named Mark who runs a Lobo fan board. He seems knowledgeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TioLobo View Post
    Not going to happen. He's out on the road recruiting for Alford and Indiana.
    Sure hope you're right. But I think not. He may want his current staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oregon Lobo View Post
    It's a link to some dude named Mark who runs a Lobo fan board. He seems knowledgeable.
    Yeah, he removed the tweet for whatever reason. I'd bet Joe is leaving, but Grammer says nothing confirmed yet.

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    This not the "norm for college ball." That is BS. Neal has had multiple defections every season now for the last few years. Sure it is normal to have a transfer or two once in a while, but not to lose 3+ every year.

    That being said, I had already penciled these guys in as transfers. It was pretty obvious. Joe and Anthony spent most of this season in Neal's doghouse. For Brown all you had to do was read between the lines, plus recognize that he wants to go pro, and his best chance at that is with another school.

    If we lose any more than these three (say a PG) then things will get really desperate.

    This is going to be a rough team next season, but the bar still has to be held high for Neal. You don't get to have 4 rebuilding years in a row and keep your job.

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    I bet the entire team transfers...and all the recruits do not show...and three coaches leave...does that cover it...
    '...the Pit is just God awful uncomfortable for a visiting team.'

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    To Anthony, Joe, and EB
    Thanks for putting on the cherry and silver and representing. So sorry you had to play for a bad coach who squandered your talents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom View Post
    I bet the entire team transfers...and all the recruits do not show...and three coaches leave...does that cover it...

    You forgot about the DOBO and the video guy.

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    Why would he leave unless its an apparent POSITION.COACHING ISSUES? You were on par to be starter at SG? Unless you hate the coaching, whats that issue?

    I think EB may have been too kind in saying that he thanked certain coaches


    The dumpster is on fire

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    Lobo basketball is burning down and kerosene has been poured over it.

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    If younger players don't want to be a part of this, than the administration needs to stop the bleeding.. What will it taken? 6 TRANSFERS?

    Joe had Daniel Faris like instincts. It would be sad not to see him battle a player like Luke Nevell.

    My week is already ruined.. Years of potential LOST!
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    It's ridiculous. The Neal experiment did not work. We still have talented players on the roster and fans that want to support the program. Is it gonna take the programming completely blowing up for us to get rid of that hack? Let's cut our losses and move in a positive direction

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    Anthony Mathis is NOT in line to be the starting 2 guard...that is Damien Jefferson's spot. Per Coach Neal. Anthony has read the tea leaves correctly IMO, he is not going to get a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VWolf View Post
    This not the "norm for college ball." That is BS. Neal has had multiple defections every season now for the last few years. Sure it is normal to have a transfer or two once in a while, but not to lose 3+ every year.

    That being said, I had already penciled these guys in as transfers. It was pretty obvious. Joe and Anthony spent most of this season in Neal's doghouse. For Brown all you had to do was read between the lines, plus recognize that he wants to go pro, and his best chance at that is with another school.

    If we lose any more than these three (say a PG) then things will get really desperate.

    This is going to be a rough team next season, but the bar still has to be held high for Neal. You don't get to have 4 rebuilding years in a row and keep your job.
    700 transfers and 351 schools equates to TWO transfers per year, per school, on average.

    UNM losing players is nothing new and trying to pin all this on Neal is just piling on. Alford had his share of folks leave, and McKay sure as hell did too. Kids leave all the time and whatever the reason is it is the RIGHT reason for the person leaving.

    Criticize CN all you want about wins/losses/piss poor handling of issues in media/player development, but players leaving is not exclusive to UNM and Coach Neal. (if we have MASS defections citing poor treatment by coach, etc, that is another story....)

    Hell, how did WE get guys like the below again, just to name a few?
    Charlie Thomas
    Jimmy Taylor
    JR Giddens
    Merv Lindsey
    Ruben Douglas
    Elijah Brown
    Tim Williams
    Emanuel Negedu
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMRunner97 View Post
    What about Harris?
    Bad form, let that come from the appropriate place, then talk about it all you want.

    I should have said let those type of announcements come the appropriate place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomerz View Post
    700 transfers and 351 schools equates to TWO transfers per year, per school, on average.

    UNM losing players is nothing new and trying to pin all this on Neal is just piling on. Alford had his share of folks leave, and McKay sure as hell did too. Kids leave all the time and whatever the reason is it is the RIGHT reason for the person leaving.

    Criticize CN all you want about wins/losses/piss poor handling of issues in media/player development, but players leaving is not exclusive to UNM and Coach Neal. (if we have MASS defections citing poor treatment by coach, etc, that is another story....)

    Hell, how did WE get guys like the below again, just to name a few?
    Charlie Thomas
    Jimmy Taylor
    JR Giddens
    Merv Lindsey
    Ruben Douglas
    Elijah Brown
    Tim Williams
    Emanuel Negedu
    Drew Gordon
    Danny Granger
    Yes, players leave all the time. Although, the majority of it happens when coaching changes are made. Coaches want to bring in their players and not have to keep the players the previous coach had. But when a coach recruits a player, and then they leave, this falls more on the coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom View Post
    I bet the entire team transfers...and all the recruits do not show...and three coaches leave...does that cover it...

    Nope. You're forgetting a contract extension. #firekrebs

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    Wow...what a fuster cluck. By far the worst coach ever!


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