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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoser View Post
    You condemn people for speculating but you speculated that some people wish harm on others. You have no idea what people are wishing for, it is simply specualtion on your part that they wish that. If you are going to criticize, you should not do the same thing you are criticizing others of.

    Secondly, message boards are mostly about speculation IMO. That is what drives message boards and discussion. It allows people to express different points of view. So I'm speculating now that you only want people to talk about things only after they have been factually verified?

    You have a valid point about using the word "harm" as it can have many perturbations. I should have been more specific and made clear I was talking about the oft stated desire the see Neal fired. I guess I was unsuccessfully trying to avoid just saying that - my error and apologies. I am saying that we should exercise some judgement and temper the vitriol because all to often it can negatively impact folks other than just the intended, in this case, Coach Neal. This is not meant to say that expressing one's opinion regarding the belief that Neal should be or have been fired should not occour - just that some of what i have seen here could hurt others than just Neal and is over the top (IMO) and personal as opposed to performance.

    regarding the opinion that speculation is often harmful, particularly when it involves some real difficult and emotional decisions of young men that are Lobos, I remain of that opinion. I think the rules of this site, rules of jurisprudence, and even jurounalism ethics all warn of the dangers of speculation so whether you think (your opinion, to which you are entitled) that is what this board is for or not, I am of the opposite opinion regarding this topic (transfers) - I agree with you if the topic is something like who will win a game or who may develop into a starter or the like, speculation is fine.

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    Notwithstanding that we don't know what the future might bring, right now Coach Neal is right on target with the number of recruits he signed (4) coupled with with the announced transfers of Mathis and Brown + graduation of Ajet and Williams, we are exactly where we need to be - maybe there is a plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timvracer View Post
    how is that relevant. just a cheap shot for no reason?
    It's relevant when discussing the ability of another coach to predict how his competition is going to perform. You were implying that he was good at it, so I figured he must have known Utah State would blow out SJSU.

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    Well, at least you are helping everyone else here see your thought process.


    Quote Originally Posted by pitforever90 View Post
    It's relevant when discussing the ability of another coach to predict how his competition is going to perform. You were implying that he was good at it, so I figured he must have known Utah State would blow out SJSU.
    -- timvracer --
    "As of Saturday night, it would appear the Mountain West Conference has two NCAA tournament-worthy teams. As long as they can find the remains of one of them."

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    That is much more informational than three word posts:-) Whether you agree with the post of not, correctomundo?

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    I'll take an intellectually honest 3 word post over a long intellectually dishonest post. Agree/Disagree isn't the issue, any rational person can see that trying to say a coach who has experienced a large loss is not capable of evaluating teams is ridiculous.

    By that measure, Neal has no clue whatsoever, let's examine every loss and befuddling result under his watch, did he predict those? If not, then he must not have any basketball judgement.

    My initial post was informational and factual, and did not dig any anybody personally -- but my friend pitForever can't help himself.


    Quote Originally Posted by JulieG View Post
    That is much more informational than three word posts:-) Whether you agree with the post of not, correctomundo?
    -- timvracer --
    "As of Saturday night, it would appear the Mountain West Conference has two NCAA tournament-worthy teams. As long as they can find the remains of one of them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Also, as an aside,
    Good players miss shots too. We had plenty of that of that this season. How many shots did EB miss this year that he made last year?
    My assessment of EB this year is that he started injured and never got fully healthy (he barely seemed to have enough lift to dunk). The other factors that complicated things were a lack of shot makers at other positions, his desire to impress pro scouts, TWs injury. Put all that together and you have a less than 100% player that's already pressing that had to take on more of the load when TW was out. With every poor game and loss it got into his head as well but I really think that hammy may have been an issue all year.

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    Think you nailed it. EB will have a much better year as a senior, wherever he goes. We Aggies are glad not to face him again. He is one fine offensive player when healthy and playing with a few other good teammates.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmccrack View Post
    My assessment of EB this year is that he started injured and never got fully healthy (he barely seemed to have enough lift to dunk). The other factors that complicated things were a lack of shot makers at other positions, his desire to impress pro scouts, TWs injury. Put all that together and you have a less than 100% player that's already pressing that had to take on more of the load when TW was out. With every poor game and loss it got into his head as well but I really think that hammy may have been an issue all year.

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    I think it goes far beyond EB being hurt and more about him trying to do too much. I understand guys miss shots but there were games where he would take 12-15 shots which in my mind is fine however not when each one of those shots has dramatic different mechanics, some fading away, some doing the splits, some kicking out, some smooth.. I got tired of watching it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timvracer View Post
    I'll take an intellectually honest 3 word post over a long intellectually dishonest post. Agree/Disagree isn't the issue, any rational person can see that trying to say a coach who has experienced a large loss is not capable of evaluating teams is ridiculous.
    Okay, so he evaluated Utah State properly before being blown out in the play-in game. I stand corrected and have now provided an intellectually honest post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublealum View Post
    Notwithstanding that we don't know what the future might bring, right now Coach Neal is right on target with the number of recruits he signed (4) coupled with with the announced transfers of Mathis and Brown + graduation of Ajet and Williams, we are exactly where we need to be - maybe there is a plan?

    What am I missing? I thought that Neal had signed five. The five that I thought he signed are Sodom, Parks, Quinn Clinton, Chandler, and Cunningham from AHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitforever90 View Post
    Okay, so he evaluated Utah State properly before being blown out in the play-in game. I stand corrected and have now provided an intellectually honest post.
    He did a hell of a job running ball screens all night in the pit and winning for the first time ever. Our coach was out-coached by default since he did nothing to react. The question is not whether SJSU has a coach that has coached a team up to expectations, is that obviously our coach has not met expectations.

    A few stats for you
    38-47-1 Against the spread last 3 years (worst in MW)
    http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...ball-rankings/
    New Mexico preseason 68 (Finished 88 RPI, 121 Kenpom) , San Jose State preseason 336 (finished 196 RPI, 216 Kenpom)
    3 Straight 1st round exits in MW Tourney for both coaches - Thats a push.......

    And most importantly SJSU 1-0 in the Pit vs a far more talented CN team this season

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    Cunningham is 2018 - not signed as he cannot yet but verbally committed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublealum View Post
    Cunningham is 2018 - not signed as he cannot yet but verbally committed.
    Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitforever90 View Post
    Okay, so he evaluated Utah State properly before being blown out in the play-in game. I stand corrected and have now provided an intellectually honest post.
    So wait, you're going to defend a coach like Neal at all costs, but discredit Wojcyk and all of the overachieving he's done at SJSU? Incredible.

    Your agenda is as transparent now as it's ever been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMFANINOKC View Post
    I think it goes far beyond EB being hurt and more about him trying to do too much. I understand guys miss shots but there were games where he would take 12-15 shots which in my mind is fine however not when each one of those shots has dramatic different mechanics, some fading away, some doing the splits, some kicking out, some smooth.. I got tired of watching it.
    It definitely doesn't stop at the injury at all. I'm just of the opinion that it was a factor. I think he lacked the explosion to get separation and the lift to get clean looks. I think that contributed to the inconsistent shot mechanics you mentioned. Old man game works a lot better in the post than on the perimeter.

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    Bad mechanics came whenever he was in tight quarters and tried to get fouled. In open space he had better mechanics.

    He was also a bad sport. I'd rather watch the guys we have play hard.

    Question for the Lair - I thought I saw a couple months ago that Soddom was having trouble qualifying and recently saw something about Chandler's academics. Are these guys both looking like they will be here and eligible ?

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    I won't post about this again, but Grammer's source could be this board. I'd go with coach until something else happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrum View Post
    I won't post about this again, but Grammer's source could be this board. I'd go with coach until something else happens.
    I doubt Grammer spends much time on the Lair and I doubt he uses it as a source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbarr View Post
    I doubt Grammer spends much time on the Lair and I doubt he uses it as a source.
    You could always ask him. He responds to PMs on Twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMFANINOKC View Post
    I think it goes far beyond EB being hurt and more about him trying to do too much. I understand guys miss shots but there were games where he would take 12-15 shots which in my mind is fine however not when each one of those shots has dramatic different mechanics, some fading away, some doing the splits, some kicking out, some smooth.. I got tired of watching it.
    it's amazing to me that more people didn't notice this starting a full season ago. He just happened to make a lot more of those ugly shots than he did this season.
    i've got nothing against EB, but I am no fan of his game. He is not a team player. Too similar to Kobe, minus the talent.

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    Don't forget that Dave Wojcik walked into the Pit and beat us on our home floor. I'm pretty sure he knows how to evaluate a basketball team. It's amazing how some people think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricoLobo View Post
    You could always ask him. He responds to PMs on Twitter.
    I am not that interested.


 

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