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    Awesome......Good luck Matt. Congratulations on being a Lobo.

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    This is awesome and this addition has to bring a lot of pride to our Native American brothers and sisters.

    I'm thinking that that we must have had other Native American players on the Lobo men's basketball team before, but the only one that I can think of off the top of my head is Notch Neves.

    Welcome Matt!!!



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    Congratulations, Matt, and welcome to the Lobo Pack. It doesn't say, but I am guessing he is walking on, with the opportunity to earn a scholarship in the future. If that is wrong thinking on my part please let us know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by loboray View Post
    Congratulations, Matt, and welcome to the Lobo Pack. It doesn't say, but I am guessing he is walking on, with the opportunity to earn a scholarship in the future. If that is wrong thinking on my part please let us know.
    does seem like he would be a "preferred" walk-on. Seems like a real good player.

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    Welcome Matt. Can't wait for you to shoot it up in the Pit. Congrats.


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    Kid can ball. Probably a walk-on but I bet he is part of the PT rotation by his junior/senior years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Lobo View Post
    This is awesome and this addition has to bring a lot of pride to our Native American brothers and sisters.

    I'm thinking that that we must have had other Native American players on the Lobo men's basketball team before, but the only one that I can think of off the top of my head is Notch Neves.

    Welcome Matt!!!
    Doesn't matter if he is of Martian descent, it's nice to see a very good player from our state get an opportunity with our favorite hoops team!

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    I work for a race track on the Gila River Indian Community (GRIC) just South of Phoenix. The history of this tribe remembers the importance of teaching the young all the way back to the Huhugam people who were the ancestors of many of today's "Akimel O'odham" (People of the River) now represented throughout the Pima and Maricopa people that live here and continue to move that history forward. Young people of the community with the high school credentials and the aspiration can have college gladly and proudly paid for by this community. It has become a rich addition to the member's lives here and it is recognized as a way of connecting the tribal traditions to the modern world through young community members that are able to bridge both cultures. Perhaps, the community Matt comes from offers something similar. As a side note, if any of you are familiar with Native American Basketball which the players call "Rez Ball", you know these guys can light it up on offense and their passing is lights out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo_for_life View Post
    Doesn't matter if he is of Martian descent, it's nice to see a very good player from our state get an opportunity with our favorite hoops team!

    Yeah but him being Navajo is big deal because the Navajo Nation transcends state borders. There's hundreds of thousands of Navajos on the rez land and thousands more scattered throughout the country. If he ever becomes even a rotational player you best believe they'll know about it and show up to games. Just imagine the crazy press we would receive if he were to ever crack the starting lineup even for just a game. Native Americans have a lot of pride seeing their people in sports. Just look at Bronson Koenig at Wisconsin. He was immensely popular with native peoples and would often draw crowds during road games throughout the Midwest in support of his opposition on the Dakota Access Pipeline. Natives protect their own

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonnyMac View Post
    I work for a race track on the Gila River Indian Community (GRIC) just South of Phoenix. The history of this tribe remembers the importance of teaching the young all the way back to the Huhugam people who were the ancestors of many of today's "Akimel O'odham" (People of the River) now represented throughout the Pima and Maricopa people that live here and continue to move that history forward. Young people of the community with the high school credentials and the aspiration can have college gladly and proudly paid for by this community. It has become a rich addition to the member's lives here and it is recognized as a way of connecting the tribal traditions to the modern world through young community members that are able to bridge both cultures. Perhaps, the community Matt comes from offers something similar. As a side note, if any of you are familiar with Native American Basketball which the players call "Rez Ball", you know these guys can light it up on offense and their passing is lights out.
    Mr. Mac - just hoping you stick around on this site well after Connor's successful playing days are over. Your posts are appreciated. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muyguapo View Post
    Kid can ball. Probably a walk-on but I bet he is part of the PT rotation by his junior/senior years.
    This is not a knock on the kid, but if Weir keeps recruiting 4 stars the way he is I don't think Vail will see much time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Jones View Post
    the Navajo Nation transcends state borders.
    Jones hit the nail on the head with his take...The Navajo Nation is spread over three states and there are 300,000+ members in the US with right around 200,000 on tribal land.

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    Anyway, it's all a very good thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNMerciful_1 View Post
    This is not a knock on the kid, but if Weir keeps recruiting 4 stars the way he is I don't think Vail will see much time.
    Yea he will prolly fall on the wayside like them un 4 and 5 star guys we had. I think their names were Snell and Bairstow....

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    Quote Originally Posted by colt45 View Post
    Yea he will prolly fall on the wayside like them un 4 and 5 star guys we had. I think their names were Snell and Bairstow....
    Snell and Bairstow were given scholarships I really hope you're not comparing them to walkons. Every year someone will post that one of our walkons could see significant playing time, yet it rarely happens. Remember Kory Alford? Go back and look at the posts after he won the 3 point shooting contest at the howl. Many penciled him in for major minutes right then and there. How did that work out.

    In the past 10 years I can only think of 2 walkons that got major time. One, Chad Toppert, earned a scholarship. The other, Tim Jacobs, was a preferred walkon, and he still needed a major injury to significant minutes. That's 2 out of probably 12 or so during that period. That's not a great percentage.

    Look, I wish this young man well, but in order for him to play major minutes one of two things would have to happen. There has to be a major injury, or Weir has to miss on a kid he gave a scholarship to. I for one hope neither of those two things happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNMerciful_1 View Post
    Snell and Bairstow were given scholarships I really hope you're not comparing them to walkons. Every year someone will post that one of our walkons could see significant playing time, yet it rarely happens. Remember Kory Alford? Go back and look at the posts after he won the 3 point shooting contest at the howl. Many penciled him in for major minutes right then and there. How did that work out.

    In the past 10 years I can only think of 2 walkons that got major time. One, Chad Toppert, earned a scholarship. The other, Tim Jacobs, was a preferred walkon, and he still needed a major injury to significant minutes. That's 2 out of probably 12 or so during that period. That's not a great percentage.

    Look, I wish this young man well, but in order for him to play major minutes one of two things would have to happen. There has to be a major injury, or Weir has to miss on a kid he gave a scholarship to. I for one hope neither of those two things happens.
    I agree with the points you've made, but I think most of us understand the biggest reason Tim Jacobs didn't get major minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo_for_life View Post
    Doesn't matter if he is of Martian descent, it's nice to see a very good player from our state get an opportunity with our favorite hoops team!
    The Lobo athletic department deemed it worth mentioning Matt's Native American heritage on their primary media platform, golobos.com.

    Perhaps you might want to direct your misgivings to them.

    "ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. – Head Lobo men's basketball coach Paul Weir announces the addition of Matt Vail, a Navajo native from Grants, New Mexico."

    http://golobos.com/news/2017/8/11/me...matt-vail.aspx



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    I am familiar with it and you are right! They can play.

    Congratulations Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Lobo View Post
    The Lobo athletic department deemed it worth mentioning Matt's Native American heritage on their primary media platform, golobos.com.

    Perhaps you might want to direct your misgivings to them.

    "ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. – Head Lobo men's basketball coach Paul Weir announces the addition of Matt Vail, a Navajo native from Grants, New Mexico."

    http://golobos.com/news/2017/8/11/me...matt-vail.aspx
    "Misgivings"? What does that mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Jones View Post
    Yeah but him being Navajo is big deal because the Navajo Nation transcends state borders. There's hundreds of thousands of Navajos on the rez land and thousands more scattered throughout the country. If he ever becomes even a rotational player you best believe they'll know about it and show up to games. Just imagine the crazy press we would receive if he were to ever crack the starting lineup even for just a game. Native Americans have a lot of pride seeing their people in sports. Just look at Bronson Koenig at Wisconsin. He was immensely popular with native peoples and would often draw crowds during road games throughout the Midwest in support of his opposition on the Dakota Access Pipeline. Natives protect their own
    Koenig drew crowds during road games in support of his opposition to the Dakota Access Pipeline...immensely popular??? So Wisconsin plays in Bloomington, College Park, Columbus, Iowa City and Lincoln and folks there flock to the game to see him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoops View Post
    Koenig drew crowds during road games in support of his opposition to the Dakota Access Pipeline...immensely popular??? So Wisconsin plays in Bloomington, College Park, Columbus, Iowa City and Lincoln and folks there flock to the game to see him.
    Ask and you shall receive, brethren:

    https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...ccess-pipeline


    EDIT: The quote you're looking for is this: "Native Americans have flocked to Koenig’s games since before he started high school in La Crosse, Wis. They come to the Kohl Center in Madison and also show up at his road games, often presenting him with gifts and beadwork crafted just for him."

    As I stated before, Native Americans take care of their own
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    Mike Jones is correct when he talks about a loud fun loving crowd for a basketball game (see previous Kirtland Central and Gallup games in the Pit for the High School championship games!). Twenty years ago I really hoped that the Lobos would sign his Dad (Grants previous "best Baller"). Better late than never- lol
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    I have never seen a bunch like this, a good thing happens and you guys do your best you make it a downer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiCoLobo View Post
    Mike Jones is correct when he talks about a loud fun loving crowd for a basketball game (see previous Kirtland Central and Gallup games in the Pit for the High School championship games!). Twenty years ago I really hoped that the Lobos would sign his Dad (Grants previous "best Baller"). Better late than never- lol
    CMac's junior year of HS saw him playing multiple JUCO squads. One was Tohno O'odham community college. They featured Native American ballers that had everything required but size. The Tohono O'odham fans were amazing. HS games featuring tribal teams in AZ routinely draw 7000 fans. They are an exciting atmospheres to be part of. If Matt gets a following and can play himself onto the court to any degree at all it will surely ignite the Navajo fan base. And maybe the NCAA will give Weir an exception to provide a camp up near the Four Corners area.

    http://www.maxpreps.com/news/CPsgRCZ...ajo-nation.htm

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    Mods ... wondering if it makes sense to include a short statement about why posts were deleted.

    I'd hate for Matt or his family or friends to read this thread and erroneously assume that posts were deleted because of what they said about him or his community. It could be an easy--but incorrect--conclusion to jump to.

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    When Notch Neves played for the Lobos, quite a contingent from the Ute Mountain Tribe near Cortez, Co would show up when UNM played at Air Force.

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    Welcome young Mr. Vail. Very happy that a NM kid is joining our Lobos. We wish you a very successful college career at UNM academically, socially, and athletically. Go Lobos, young man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublealum View Post
    Welcome young Mr. Vail. Very happy that a NM kid is joining our Lobos. We wish you a very successful college career at UNM academically, socially, and athletically. Go Lobos, young man.
    DA, are these copy and pasted from a pre-written script? I would like to see more welcomes being tailored to fit each kid's skill sets and to possibly reflect your current enthusiasm.
    -Sent from my Nintendo Game & Watch

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