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    NFL now least liked sport, core fans down 31%

    by Paul Bedard | Oct 7, 2017, 8:00 AM

    "Over just one month of
    player, coach, and owner protests of the flag and National Anthem, the National Football League has gone from America's sport to the least liked of top professional and college sports, according to a new poll."

    "Worse for football, which was already seeing lower TV ratings and empty stadium seats, the month of protests drove core fans, men 34-54, away, the most significant indicator that NFL brass aren't in touch with their base."

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-poll-nfl-now-least-liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837

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    FAKE NEWS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLoboMan View Post
    FAKE NEWS.
    Why do you consider Newsweek a Fake News source?
    http://www.newsweek.com/nfl-now-leas...l-shows-680168

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmassuave View Post
    NFL now least liked sport, core fans down 31%

    by Paul Bedard | Oct 7, 2017, 8:00 AM

    "Over just one month of
    player, coach, and owner protests of the flag and National Anthem, the National Football League has gone from America's sport to the least liked of top professional and college sports, according to a new poll."

    "Worse for football, which was already seeing lower TV ratings and empty stadium seats, the month of protests drove core fans, men 34-54, away, the most significant indicator that NFL brass aren't in touch with their base."

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-poll-nfl-now-least-liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837
    The funny thing about your post is that there was a boycott going on before the protests the last 2 weeks. This one has been going on since the beginning of the season, and it's to show support for Colin Kaepernick.
    https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/7/16...lin-kaepernick

    http://time.com/4924420/colin-kaeper...tball-boycott/
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    If the NFL or Lobo players were to get a permit to hold a rally here in Albuquerque to raise awareness about police brutality etc., I would support their efforts by attending it. In my opinion, that would be a lot more positive way to garner community support and favorable publicity for the issue. Kneeling and/or raising a clenched fist during the national anthem has seemingly proven to be counter-productive, given the declining poll numbers and TV ratings. Anyway, by alienating fans, the players seem to be "killing the golden goose." I doubt the billionaire NFL owners are concerned about empty seats because they are financially protected by their "lucrative" long-term TV contract.

    As always, thanks for sharing your opinion on this subject.
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    NFL is suffering from over saturation and Netflix ...

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    O.K. but that is something that could/would affect a lot of other sports venues. Why is the NFL suffering the largest decline?


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    So because of this the NFL is going to start charging a buck fifty per minute for Superbowl ads? Give me a break.



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    I used to be a rabid NFL fan, but my interest has waned the last few years. The protest did not push me further away, it actually brought me back to the game. I am a firm believer in free speech and support their right to protest. I find it disappointing that rather than looking at what these men are actually protesting, it's being pushed as "Un-American" and an "Anti-Flag" debate.

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    So by that logic, there are no bounds to what is defined as a "protest", and should always be supported? So I can choose to show support for my causes at work in a very public fashion (maybe I kneel during staff meeting to show my support for something, and disrupt the normal flow of work)? Or perhaps I have a job that is customer facing, and I pump my fist in the air in front of each customer to show my support for a cause?

    Fact is, this is all political, and folks rationalize whatever one is doing if it is in favor of their own views. Both sides. If I pay to be entertained, I should not be preached at whether it be for a cause on the left or the right. And those who feel that the National Anthem is somehow only associated with one party, can't help you there.

    As an objectivist, this all drives me nuts. I wish all those players would donate to, and inspire a national program and/or event to bring awareness to their cause -- but stop interrupting my entertainment. Funny how the same folks supporting this were crucifying Tebow for his religious stances -- and those supporting Tebow are now criticizing the players. Or imagine if a group of white players protested the tearing down of those statues? Keep it ALL off the field, or public places of EMPLOYMENT, and I support an employer's right to protect their product or customer interface as they see fit within what makes sense for their product. Where do I go protest for that?

    And btw... I do support their cause -- it is tricky, as IMO most cops are good and I appreciate that they protect me, but the bad ones need to be dealt with. and the bad "departments" especially need to be dealt with. I felt that way before this crap, and feel the same now.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoLobos View Post
    I used to be a rabid NFL fan, but my interest has waned the last few years. The protest did not push me further away, it actually brought me back to the game. I am a firm believer in free speech and support their right to protest. I find it disappointing that rather than looking at what these men are actually protesting, it's being pushed as "Un-American" and an "Anti-Flag" debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timvracer View Post
    So by that logic, there are no bounds to what is defined as a "protest", and should always be supported? So I can choose to show support for my causes at work in a very public fashion (maybe I kneel during staff meeting to show my support for something, and disrupt the normal flow of work)? Or perhaps I have a job that is customer facing, and I pump my fist in the air in front of each customer to show my support for a cause?

    Fact is, this is all political, and folks rationalize whatever one is doing if it is in favor of their own views. Both sides. If I pay to be entertained, I should not be preached at whether it be for a cause on the left or the right. And those who feel that the National Anthem is somehow only associated with one party, can't help you there.

    As an objectivist, this all drives me nuts. I wish all those players would donate to, and inspire a national program and/or event to bring awareness to their cause -- but stop interrupting my entertainment. Funny how the same folks supporting this were crucifying Tebow for his religious stances -- and those supporting Tebow are now criticizing the players. Or imagine if a group of white players protested the tearing down of those statues? Keep it ALL off the field, or public places of EMPLOYMENT, and I support an employer's right to protect their product or customer interface as they see fit within what makes sense for their product. Where do I go protest for that?

    And btw... I do support their cause -- it is tricky, as IMO most cops are good and I appreciate that they protect me, but the bad ones need to be dealt with. and the bad "departments" especially need to be dealt with. I felt that way before this crap, and feel the same now.
    While I sympathize with your point of view, the NFL is one of the biggest platforms a person could have. There are many players who do positive things in there communities, and we never hear about. However, everyone knows what this cause is about. Like it or not these players have taken a stand.

    Somewhere there are kids who are alive today because a police officer thought twice about using lethal force against an unarmed person. Five years ago this police officer probably could care less. But since these protests have begun, not just the ones by NFL players, you don't see unarmed citizens killed by police as often. And these people who would otherwise not be alive today would vehemently disagree with your opinion.

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    Jerry Jones: Cowboys ‘will not play’ if they disrespect flag

    Per Jerry Jones, "if we are disrespecting the flag, then we won't play. Period. Period."

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...tional-anthem/

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    Dolphins owner Steve Ross now wants players to stand for anthem, coach Adam Gase makes it a rule
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/m...008-story.html
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    Yes attendance has been in decline, with all these fancy TVs, Sunday ticket, and the comforts of home plus saving some serious cash of course its going to drop. But the drop has seen a huge increase since all the kneeling increased as well. Teams are losing millions in merchandise too. I don't know if the NFL will be able to stop the bleeding before it goes too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmassuave View Post
    NFL now least liked sport, core fans down 31%

    by Paul Bedard | Oct 7, 2017, 8:00 AM

    "Over just one month of
    player, coach, and owner protests of the flag and National Anthem, the National Football League has gone from America's sport to the least liked of top professional and college sports, according to a new poll."

    "Worse for football, which was already seeing lower TV ratings and empty stadium seats, the month of protests drove core fans, men 34-54, away, the most significant indicator that NFL brass aren't in touch with their base."

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-poll-nfl-now-least-liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837

    Problem with that story is that no one is protesting flag or anthem (or military, as some have claimed). Examiner is unfortunately a biased political rag. One tick away from. Brietbart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobodude View Post

    Problem with that story is that no one is protesting flag or anthem (or military, as some have claimed). Examiner is unfortunately a biased political rag. One tick away from. Brietbart.
    well, attendance and or interest is either down to it's not...which is it...
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    Very interesting read about police shootings. The numbers don't support the protesters narrative.
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...JbrO_8qYvWCPxg

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    I and many people that I know cancelled our NFL ticket.

    I do support the movement, but I do not support the platform.

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    And if you really think people boycotting the NFL so Kap can get a job is why the numbers are down, you sir are the problem

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    Be careful with polls. This isn't meant to start a political debate rather just an example. Remember Hillary polling 15% higher than trump? For the entire year before the election. She was supposedly going to win by a large margin and that did not happen. Polls have flaws. You have to ask questions the right way. You have to poll a wide variety of people from different locations, backgrounds, ages... if you don't your poll is not going to represent the entire population. And polling like that is more expensive. Basically if you have an agenda you can get your poll to say what ever you want it to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoKuZ View Post
    And if you really think people boycotting the NFL so Kap can get a job is why the numbers are down, you sir are the problem
    It's part of the reason, but not the only reason. The main reason ratings are down is just the on demand environment we live in today. Games are long with too many interruptions. People have become accustomed to their Netflix and Youtube where they can watch something with no, or limited commercials. Anything amazing that happens during a game will be uploaded to Youtube anyway, so people can watch it then. This isn't me, but this is the younger generation. And as proof just look at our declining student section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timvracer View Post
    So by that logic, there are no bounds to what is defined as a "protest", and should always be supported? So I can choose to show support for my causes at work in a very public fashion (maybe I kneel during staff meeting to show my support for something, and disrupt the normal flow of work)? Or perhaps I have a job that is customer facing, and I pump my fist in the air in front of each customer to show my support for a cause?

    Fact is, this is all political, and folks rationalize whatever one is doing if it is in favor of their own views. Both sides. If I pay to be entertained, I should not be preached at whether it be for a cause on the left or the right. And those who feel that the National Anthem is somehow only associated with one party, can't help you there.

    As an objectivist, this all drives me nuts. I wish all those players would donate to, and inspire a national program and/or event to bring awareness to their cause -- but stop interrupting my entertainment. Funny how the same folks supporting this were crucifying Tebow for his religious stances -- and those supporting Tebow are now criticizing the players. Or imagine if a group of white players protested the tearing down of those statues? Keep it ALL off the field, or public places of EMPLOYMENT, and I support an employer's right to protect their product or customer interface as they see fit within what makes sense for their product. Where do I go protest for that?

    And btw... I do support their cause -- it is tricky, as IMO most cops are good and I appreciate that they protect me, but the bad ones need to be dealt with. and the bad "departments" especially need to be dealt with. I felt that way before this crap, and feel the same now.

    In over 40 years of employment I never once started my work day with the playing of the national anthem. My employers never played it and I as an employer never played it. I even have worked for the federal government for a while and they never started the day off with the anthem. So why do athletes have to start there day out with it? Stop playing it and the issue is resolved. Play the national anthem at sporting events when the game is held on a federal holiday like Independence Day or Memorial Day. People are doubling down now and our "leaders" are just adding to fuel to the fire. It is time to de-escalate and not throw towels at the crowd.
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    To those who support the kneeling because you say it's their right. Would you support other players kneeling to support the police because they are more than 18 times likely to die at the hands of a black man than to kill a black man? Statistics just don't back up any of their narratives.

    They can say all they want about it not being about the flag, but as a veteran to me any disrespect shown towards the flag is disrespect to our country and our flag. Those players kneeling need to go to third world countries and see what real oppression is and what a real lack of opportunity those people have. America provides opportunity for everyone regardless of race or sex, all you have to do is work hard, don't give up, and don't have a victims mentality.

    I watch football and sports on tv to get away from politics and not to be bombarded with it. They have ruined football for many Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobodude View Post

    Problem with that story is that no one is protesting flag or anthem (or military, as some have claimed).
    Maybe not, but many veterans and active military and others do take offense to them protesting in the manner that they are. So whether or not they are intending to offend, they are. They have the right to kneel or sit for the anthem, but I just don't understand why they can't find some other means of expressing their discontent, since they ARE offending many people that they apparently don't intend to offend. Their message is getting lost, imo, by continuing in this manner. It's just more divisive than anything, which is not what this country needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom View Post
    well, attendance and or interest is either down to it's not...which is it...
    The data clearly shows it is down.

    The data shows the trend predated the current protests.

    The hard part, and the politicized part in the "journalism" is the assumptions and oversimplification of WHY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom View Post
    well, attendance and or interest is either down to it's not...which is it...
    The data clearly shows it is down.

    The data shows the trend predated the current protests.

    The hard part, and the politicized part in the "journalism" is the assumptions and oversimplification of WHY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loboaddict View Post
    Maybe not, but many veterans and active military and others do take offense to them protesting in the manner that they are. So whether or not they are intending to offend, they are. They have the right to kneel or sit for the anthem, but I just don't understand why they can't find some other means of expressing their discontent, since they ARE offending many people that they apparently don't intend to offend. Their message is getting lost, imo, by continuing in this manner. It's just more divisive than anything, which is not what this country needs.
    What i find truly contradictory about this is that many of those who say exactly this, "People shouldn't be so thin skinned. This political correctness has gone to far."

    Except on this issue of course. ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by loboaddict View Post
    Maybe not, but many veterans and active military and others do take offense to them protesting in the manner that they are. So whether or not they are intending to offend, they are. They have the right to kneel or sit for the anthem, but I just don't understand why they can't find some other means of expressing their discontent, since they ARE offending many people that they apparently don't intend to offend. Their message is getting lost, imo, by continuing in this manner. It's just more divisive than anything, which is not what this country needs.
    What i find truly contradictory about this is that many of those who say exactly this, "People shouldn't be so thin skinned. This political correctness has gone to far."

    Except on this issue of course.


    And, there are a lot of vererans and current military who DO understand that non-violent protest is an inherent right that goes back to pre-1776 and a core belief within the constitution. I served for 40+ years to support those freedoms even when I did not agree with some of what they were used for.
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    As a veteran I do say it's their right to protest, but you should not be protesting our national anthem when we have America military personnel in harms way. Not just white people, but brown people, and black people. Today some of them may come home in a coffin covered with the American flag. There is only one color in the military and that's green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo2x53 View Post
    What i find truly contradictory about this is that many of those who say exactly this, "People shouldn't be so thin skinned. This political correctness has gone to far."

    Except on this issue of course.


    And, there are a lot of vererans and current military who DO understand that non-violent protest is an inherent right that goes back to pre-1776 and a core belief within the constitution. I served for 40+ years to support those freedoms even when I did not agree with some of what they were used for.
    If I understand you correctly, you fully support the right of those that choose to non-violently protest the "kneelers" (many with lengthy police records) by choosing not to attend the games or watch them on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNM Class of 1972 View Post
    In over 40 years of employment I never once started my work day with the playing of the national anthem. My employers never played it and I as an employer never played it. I even have worked for the federal government for a while and they never started the day off with the anthem. So why do athletes have to start there day out with it? Stop playing it and the issue is resolved. Play the national anthem at sporting events when the game is held on a federal holiday like Independence Day or Memorial Day. People are doubling down now and our "leaders" are just adding to fuel to the fire. It is time to de-escalate and not throw towels at the crowd.
    I always find this take the most interesting in the whole debate. Stop playing the anthem at events is seemingly contrary to both sides. Those that want everyone to respect the flag and anthem by standing hand over heart definitely want it to be played. On the protest side it seems that during the anthem has been identified as the prime moment to raise awareness for their cause so I would assume they want it played as well.


 

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