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    A friend of mine who knows and lot more about basketball than I do says Weir leaves his players out to dry sometimes at the end of games, like this last one. Says Weir should have switched to zone to keep SDSU out of the lane for instance.
    What do you all think about this? Bugs the crap out of me because I think he has done the (almost) impossible this year.
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    Maybe your friend should consider coaching a college basketball team?
    Weir did what nobody even remotely thought he could do this year. He took a team that was picked to finish at the bottom of our conference and took them to the conference championship game.
    We had won six games in a row coming in to the game tonight. So, I would not put too much stock into what your friend is saying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marktic View Post
    A friend of mine who knows and lot more about basketball than I do says Weir leaves his players out to dry sometimes at the end of games, like this last one. Says Weir should have switched to zone to keep SDSU out of the lane for instance.
    What do you all think about this? Bugs the he kmout of me because I think he has done the (almost) impossible this year.
    Your friend doesn't know a lot about basketball.

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    Weir said in the post game radio that he thought about going zone, but thought it would slow them down too much and make them just pass it around the exterior. He wanted to keep them playing fast to try to get a comeback with some quick shots or turnovers.

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    That's rich. Weir takes a lunch pale group picked 9th in the MWC...to the cusp of the NCAA tourney, and your friend (or alter Ego?) second guesses his coaching ability.....just priceless. Thanks for that gem.

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    I believe that the OP's friend is probably a wizard at coaching basketball...

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    Maybe you and your friend can both take a hike!

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    Not that I agree with your friend or you, but as to discussing strategies, it is well with in discussion rules around here. I think after this season, however, I will leave the coaching of this team to Weir. As to the personal insults I think they are not necessary:-(
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    Its too bad we didn't hire your friend instead of Weir

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    I wholeheartedly agree that Weir did an excellent job this year and am hopeful for the future. I also freely admit that D1 college coaches have more b-ball acumen under their fingernails than the collective wisdom of all the armchairs on this board (including me) but I too wondered why we didn't try something different, including zone, when it became very clear that our normal switch everything man to man couldn't handle Kell on the high pick and roll. I would be interested in hearing Weir's thoughts on that issue - I'm confident I would learn that there was a good reason(s).
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    Hey, don't bag on me, I have been 100% in Weir's camp since the first interview I heard with him.

    Sorry I posted this, I was only looking for some rebuttal points, didn't think I would be personally attacked.
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    Coach Weir went with the system that had proved to work best with the talent he coached. Next year he will have more options with the players he recruits..
    Kudos to the team..
    i encourage you to post more often Marktic, 10 posts since 2010 ? Go Lobos

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    Weir coached his ass off. Pretty much universal praise for him on the mwc board by conference rivals. The only even remotely questionable coaching decision I saw yesterday was that they didn't foul quickly down the stretch and lengthen the game. Other than that what Weir did with this roster in conference play was nothing short of amazing.

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    only thing i thought we should have done, was double team late in the game. From past experiences as a player heck even watching Texas A&M make that wonderful comeback a few years ago. I think that would have been our best bet with the final minutes. But Weir did a hell of a job and we got outplayed. Lobos showed so much heart and i loved every single second of it.

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    Personal attacks.

    Wow - a mighty ugly thread we have here.
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    If so so be it. I would never say i could out coach Weir because i cannot. Just i heard it on CBS from the announcers and i thought about how tough that was to play through as a player, then i remembered how much it made Northern Iowa struggle in the NCAA tourney when they did. But no im not anywhere near qualified to tell what Paul Weir should have done. And i wasn't just curious to see if it would have worked.

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    Also philosophically, Weir is a man to man guy. The difference in that game was front-court length and athleticism and an amazing individual effort by a senior (Trey Kell) who didn't want his career to be over. The system worked. We had them gassed, but Kell willed them to a win. He hit clutch shots over decent man defense. Why would throwing a zaggy 2-3 zone at him suddenly slow him down? Lol. Laughable.

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    Not that bad of a question....I also questioned in the Air Force game why we didn't maybe try a zone! I think folks are still salty from the loss last night of which you can't really blame them!! I agree with those that said PW is a man to man coach and that is how we play! I think a big premise of PW is to will his style of play to the other team with the idea that we will eventually wear them down.....I think that idea worked on the majority of the SDSU team other then Kell, who flat out won that game for them last night.....if he is off at all, we will last night! I am glad that he is graduating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDamnFans View Post
    Weir coached his ass off. Pretty much universal praise for him on the mwc board by conference rivals. The only even remotely questionable coaching decision I saw yesterday was that they didn't foul quickly down the stretch and lengthen the game. Other than that what Weir did with this roster in conference play was nothing short of amazing.
    Agreed, could someone explain why we always switch - it seems like we end up with the mismatch of the small guy driving by Joe who comes out 20+ feet or we get a big on the inside on one of our small guards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick7g View Post
    Agreed, could someone explain why we always switch - it seems like we end up with the mismatch of the small guy driving by Joe who comes out 20+ feet or we get a big on the inside on one of our small guards.
    Amongst other things, it normally defeats pick and roll but yesterday against Kell the opposite happened. It also lessens the off the ball picks that free up 3 point shooters and on the ball it keeps ball pressure on the man with the ball & forces pace. It worked well for us most of the year but like any scheme it also has it weaknesses as you identified.

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    Weir's strengths by far outway his weaknesses. I think even Weir would admit that he's not a perfect coach. I think he would admit that he could improve on the X's and O's - but give him a break - he's 38 years old.

    I think the zone comment is a reasonable one, but my game was hockey, not basketball. Just as his team learns from losses, so will Weir.I

    There is no reason to be vicious here. I honestly feel like we have a John Wooden type leader and a great program on the way. I'm not in the least concerned and I am grateful for a great season of basketball.

    The reality is that this is a discussion board. It's the closest thing to competition that those of us too old and fat to play anymore will get. Everybody take a deep breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick7g View Post
    Agreed, could someone explain why we always switch - it seems like we end up with the mismatch of the small guy driving by Joe who comes out 20+ feet or we get a big on the inside on one of our small guards.
    Yeah, not a fan of the automatic switches on every high ball screen. I don't see any top teams out there who do that. I hope Weir tweaks his philosophy on that, though in theory he should have guys next year who are better equipped to defend on the switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick7g View Post
    Agreed, could someone explain why we always switch - it seems like we end up with the mismatch of the small guy driving by Joe who comes out 20+ feet or we get a big on the inside on one of our small guards.
    Just a guess, but maybe because of the "line changes" sub in and out philosophy. Maybe it avoids confusion for the kids to know that they always switch regardless of lineup. It is a bit unusual though. I'm sure Weir has some analytical data driven reason for it lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboMike View Post
    Yeah, not a fan of the automatic switches on every high ball screen. I don't see any top teams out there who do that. I hope Weir tweaks his philosophy on that, though in theory he should have guys next year who are better equipped to defend on the switch.
    I like the switching as it keeps us aggressive. Yeah there are mismatches, but when we get more talent, I expect we see even better results.

    I don't how many times this season there were mismatches, but surprisedly I don't believe it was never taken advantage by the opposition greatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick7g View Post
    Agreed, could someone explain why we always switch - it seems like we end up with the mismatch of the small guy driving by Joe who comes out 20+ feet or we get a big on the inside on one of our small guards.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoboMike View Post
    Yeah, not a fan of the automatic switches on every high ball screen. I don't see any top teams out there who do that. I hope Weir tweaks his philosophy on that, though in theory he should have guys next year who are better equipped to defend on the switch.
    If you rewatch the game - (I didn’t BTW - it was deleted immediately), I believe you will see that later in the second half, our guards worked harder to stay with their guards. Switches weren’t as automatic as they were during most of the game. Honestly, I saw it on a few occasions. I hope this is because Weir did note how we were getting toasted and addressed it.

    That is my hope - I am going with that. Of course - I am also going with Kell missed his shots, while I await our NCAA seeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo View Post
    I like the switching as it keeps us aggressive. Yeah there are mismatches, but when we get more talent, I expect we see even better results.
    Aggressive is fighting through screens. Switching is easier. You could also "hedge" by the big man and get back. Alford used to employ that here.

    Better personnel certainly helps with any scheme, but there will always be certain guards that you should never switch a big onto. They are too good and will torch it.

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    Kell, played as good a game as one could at the end of the game. He is a 6'4 215 lb guard who has a jump shot that was on. The one issue we have as a team was size and it quite often was apparent with him. There were other issues as well with size that I see not being there next year. Perhaps the main issue I saw was Mathis could not get clear to shoot and that is something I would like to see worked on and Sam had a tough game.
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    If you would have told me before the game that the Lobos would have five players score in double figures (which they did) I would have liked our chances of winning the game.

    By contrast, SDSU had 3 players score in double figures, but unfortunately for us, one of them was Kell with 26.



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