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    Grammer is reporting new President is asking for $1.9m in sports, TBD by 7/1/18, to be cut beginning 2019-20. Will still offer 22 in 2018-19.

    Will pay Uni back $500k/year for 10 years. Regents will need to find $$$ to plug rest of hole. But payback won't begin until 20-21 season.

    New media rights deal with Learfield coming.

    Debt in 17-18 'only' $800k excluding $1.3m infusion.

    Stokes: "We are better off with fewer sports and doing those sports well."
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    Looks like Athletics is asking for $1.4m in help in FY19 and $1m in FY20 until the sports reductions kick in.

    https://twitter.com/GeoffGrammer/sta...91115676540928
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    Sounds like a main issue is UNM is too big. There are too many levels of administration. As a result you have Athletics, Lobo Club and Foundation all basically doing their own thing without one person having their arms around all. And now everyone is pointing fingers.

    Projected debt in FY19 $2.3m. No cut in number of Athletic positions?!
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    Wonder if there's an option for a couple of sports to "go club" for a few years -- if football and basketball attendance rebound, perhaps they could be made regular D1 sports again. Does anyone know if that's feasible and how funding for club teams like ice hockey and rugby work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    Wonder if there's an option for a couple of sports to "go club" for a few years -- if football and basketball attendance rebound, perhaps they could be made regular D1 sports again. Does anyone know if that's feasible and how funding for club teams like ice hockey and rugby work?

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    Not gonna happen. Club sports would have to raise their own $$$ or be financed by student fees which are stretched to the limit right now. And BTW, I don't think FB attendance ever 'rebounds'. This isn't just a Lobo Football problem. Attendance is down almost everywhere.

    If folks didn't care enough to support ______money draining sport all these decades, why would they start with it dropping to club level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
    Sounds like a main issue is UNM is too big. There are too many levels of administration. As a result you have Athletics, Lobo Club and Foundation all basically doing their own thing without one person having their arms around all. And now everyone is pointing fingers.

    Projected debt in FY19 $2.3m. No cut in number of Athletic positions?!
    Can't help but wonder about all of the "marketing" people I see in the ramp during games. I know some are running the contests at half, but I see a lot of folks there with seemingly nothing to do.

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    Grammer reporting budget discussions to be tabled until next week. Still too many unanswered questions. Too many vague projections.
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    I was wondering when this would happen. UNM has way more sports than a lot of other MW members do. I think I recall that CSU only has something like 14 or 15. I feel bad for those people who will lose their funding, and I'm not saying this is a good thing, but only that it does level the playing field for the sports like bball that generates revenue.

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    I wasn't meaning that people would start supporting the teams that dropped to club status more ... but that if FB and/or BB attendance came back so that the budget was in balance or athletics was making money overall, that they might have the $ and flexibility to reinstate those sports.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
    Not gonna happen. Club sports would have to raise their own $$$ or be financed by student fees which are stretched to the limit right now. And BTW, I don't think FB attendance ever 'rebounds'. This isn't just a Lobo Football problem. Attendance is down almost everywhere.

    If folks didn't care enough to support ______money draining sport all these decades, why would they start with it dropping to club level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenturaLobo View Post
    I was wondering when this would happen. UNM has way more sports than a lot of other MW members do. I think I recall that CSU only has something like 14 or 15. I feel bad for those people who will lose their funding, and I'm not saying this is a good thing, but only that it does level the playing field for the sports like bball that generates revenue.
    Here's the thing. I'm not sure how much each sport costs or how much $ they have to come up with through cutting sports ... but it would have to be men's sports, primarily, correct? You can't drop just women' sports because of the #s; need multiple women's sports to balance the football #s.

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    You would think they are balanced now--so starting with what they have I expect it would be roughly even cuts.

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    What are you going to cut? Skiing, men's track? Doesn't add up to enough! Baseball, men's soccer?
    Colorado State University’s subsidy trails only Air Force ($33.3 million) and San Diego State ($24.3 million) in the Mountain West and is nearly double that of New Mexico ($11.6 million), which is at the bottom of the list.


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    I think baseball and soccer have to be on the table simply because there are only 7 clubs in the MWC that offer baseball and so few with soccer they have to compete in CUSA. The travel costs alone have to be substantial.

    They'll be 8k in the park tonight to see the AAA club and 500 to see Lobo Baseball/NMSU. There is just limited interest in CBB outside the diehards.

    Obviously skiing with only a handful of programs left in the country has to go.
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    Doubt any D1 University with a football team is compliant to title IX. So it is safe to say we are not in compliance. Doubt we can cut any women's programs without severe criticism from media and public opinion. We shall see, but I predict the non revenue producing men's sports are in real jeopardy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    I wasn't meaning that people would start supporting the teams that dropped to club status more ... but that if FB and/or BB attendance came back so that the budget was in balance or athletics was making money overall, that they might have the $ and flexibility to reinstate those sports.
    I like your thought process on this, but once they move to become a club, they need to stay a club until UNM gets into a P5 conference, which may be never. The money just won't be there consistently as it stands. If football and basketball go gangbusters for a few years, then crap out again, the sports that got reinstated are at risk again, with more athletes and recruits stuck like they are now.

    I love the idea of club teams for skiing, soccer, tennis, golf and track/XC. Those sports generally have strong industry sponsorship and they have more flexibility without having the restrictions of the NCAA. The school usually has limited cash on the line for club teams, yet they usually get a scholarship and wear the school uniforms.

    The University of Arizona hockey team was a club until a couple of years ago and Arizona State is still a club team.

    Give the sports a chance to defend themselves and you might be surprised how creative people can be when they want to save something. If there is enough passion, they will save it, if not, it will go away.....

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    If they're looking for equity between men and women's sports, then intuitively it seems like golf and tennis are in trouble. I don't see how either of those generate any revenue, but maybe I'm missing something. I hate to see UNM cut any sports who have broken the barrier such as skiing, NCAA championship, track and field, NCAA championship, Men's soccer, NCAA runner up. (Or was it a Final Four?)



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    it's going to be skiing, swimming, and tennis, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobolunatic View Post
    it's going to be skiing, swimming, and tennis, IMO.
    Don't think tennis would be one. We have a top notch tennis facility would hate to see that go to waste.
    Golf, swimming, and Beach volleyball for sure would be my guess.
    Skiing would be my second guess.
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    We have a top notch tennis facility...
    We have a top notch golf facility...are we going to close UNM South...sell UNM North to land developers...
    Colorado State University’s subsidy trails only Air Force ($33.3 million) and San Diego State ($24.3 million) in the Mountain West and is nearly double that of New Mexico ($11.6 million), which is at the bottom of the list.


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    Actually, I agree. Scratch Tennis from my list and add beach volleyball.

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    Sports to be cut

    I heard Will Webber speculating that they might be look at cutting sports that would not necessarily mean losing athletes — like indoor track (for both men and women) and beach volleyball. They would still have outdoor track and regular volleyball. No idea (not did he) if that would get to the $1.9m needed, but that was a sense he had from the session today.

    Also, apparently they could leave some spots unfolded and save $1m, which might be an option to reduce what has to be done to sports.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom View Post
    We have a top notch golf facility...are we going to close UNM South...sell UNM North to land developers...
    The city could buy them both and turn them into municipal courses.



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    Would really not like seeing any sports teams get cut. Bummer these teams are going through this bull crap again, especially Skiing. If I would have to make a suggestion of what team we don't need/should cut is Women's Beach Volleyball. Not very necessary and they are decent but not necessary to have. Not trying to piss any beach volleyball fans off just stating my 2 cents yo. Hope that all sports can be spared but that is just wishful thinking. Mad love to all the athletes yo!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobolunatic View Post
    it's going to be skiing, swimming, and tennis, IMO.
    Why would swimming be cut, that sport is helping with female scholarship numbers? UNM does not have a men's swim team. I can see skiing going back on the chop block.

    I don't see any women's sports being cut if UNM wants to stay compliant with Title IX. Those 85 scholarships that football uses are hard on the scholarship balancing act
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom View Post
    We have a top notch golf facility...are we going to close UNM South...sell UNM North to land developers...
    Can't happen since Bobby Frank signed an agreement to keep North open until 2027.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    I heard Will Webber speculating that they might be look at cutting sports that would not necessarily mean losing athletes — like indoor track (for both men and women) and beach volleyball. They would still have outdoor track and regular volleyball. No idea (not did he) if that would get to the $1.9m needed, but that was a sense he had from the session today.

    Also, apparently they could leave some spots unfolded and save $1m, which might be an option to reduce what has to be done to sports.


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    As was mentioned above, there are 12 unfilled positions. There was disagreement between Athletics and the Regents whether they should be filled or not. And I don't think it was ever made clear whether the $2.3m debt for next year already included those positions or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoser View Post
    Why would swimming be cut, that sport is helping with female scholarship numbers? UNM does not have a men's swim team. I can see skiing going back on the chop block.

    I don't see any women's sports being cut if UNM wants to stay compliant with Title IX. Those 85 scholarships that football uses are hard on the scholarship balancing act

    Agree but I assume we are in compliance now so if we reduced sports that eliminated an equal number of women and men on schollie wouldn't we still be in compliance?

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    Realize also that sports like soccer and baseball rarely give full scholarships. Soccer gets just shy of 10 scholarships (9.9) for 19 or so players. Baseball gets just shy of 12 (11.7) to split. So as you are thinking in terms of size of team in the idea of what makes sense to cut, it isn't always 1 to 1 like basketball or football which are 13 and 85 full rides respectively.

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